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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    that changes nothing unless the person doing the crime PERCEIVED something or it could be proven that he did
    in the example this factually did NOT happen. Your post fails again.

    maybe your next post wont fail and facts wont beat it again.

    I can do this all day its so much fun when people post ies and deny facts. Pointing out when people do this is my second favorite thing to do here.

    So now im waiting for those FACTS that support your claim.
    Haha this is really funny argument here, proven that he perceived something. Well gee that he perceived a Christian church was built for Christians and not atheists?

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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    Here's he original quote "You could be MOTIVATED to punch a guy cause he is black but you DONT actually act on that so there would be ZERO crime if there was no action/"

    Here's the new quote
    if TIM feels motivated to punch Jim solely because he is black BUT never does it, no crime takes place. TIM committed no crime. this is a fact.

    Tell me why aren't here any bolder words in the second quote
    WOW!!!!
    really???

    you are definitely not from the US

    easy because if you understood english ill show you how context FACTUALLY didnt change

    it = punch= action
    committed = punch = act

    nothing changed
    facts win again
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    Haha this is really funny argument here, proven that he perceived something. Well gee that he perceived a Christian church was built for Christians and not atheists?
    not an argument it simply how law works in the US, he already admitted his reason. but yes it is very funny watching you chase your tail and fact winning every time
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    1.)So making **** up is your strategy?
    2.)The difference between assault and attempted murder is what crime you intend to commit, or to put it another way, the action you where trying to do. Hate crimes are crimes of motivation, why you committed a crime.
    3.) No amount of lame formatting is going to change that basic fact.
    1.) i notice you didn't point out anything you claimed i made up and then prove it.
    nothing was made up
    2.) based on MOTIVATION, just like hate crime LOL thank you for proving that. the definition from the FBI even supports that fact
    3.) i agree thats why its not a thought crime and there is no crime without action
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) i notice you didn't point out anything you claimed i made up and then prove it.
    nothing was made up
    2.) based on MOTIVATION, just like hate crime LOL thank you for proving that. the definition from the FBI even supports that fact
    3.) i agree thats why its not a thought crime and there is no crime without action
    No, not based on motivation, based on the actions intended. This is really not complex stuff, so I do not see why you are so confused by it.
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    1.)No, not based on motivation, based on the actions intended. This is really not complex stuff, so I do not see why you are so confused by it.
    1.Yes motivation. that attack was motivated by the want and thought to kill
    2.) I agree youll get it soon if you keep thinking about

    hate crimes are not thought crimes
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    WOW!!!!
    really???

    you are definitely not from the US

    easy because if you understood english ill show you how context FACTUALLY didnt change

    it = punch= action
    committed = punch = act

    nothing changed
    facts win again
    Ok so by your example

    Does = acting= action

    Being motivated = an action

    Going = action

    Think =acting= action

    if bob decides he's going to punch josh solely because he is black BUT never thinks it, no crime takes place. Bob committed no crime. this is a fact.

    See how the context didn't change at all there

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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    Ok so by your example

    Does = acting= action

    Being motivated = an action

    Going = action

    Think =acting= action

    if bob decides he's going to punch josh solely because he is black BUT never thinks it, no crime takes place. Bob committed no crime. this is a fact.

    See how the context didn't change at all there
    WOW? thats not even close to making sense or my example
    i simply have nothing to say if you think my example changed context. Theres no one educated, honest and objective person that would think my exampl changed anything.
    Your inability to understand english leaves you at a loss, again your issue not mine

    so let me know when you have any FACTS supporting you proven wrong claim, thanks
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    WOW? thats not even close to making sense or my example
    i simply have nothing to say if you think my example changed context. Theres no one educated, honest and objective person that would think my exampl changed anything.
    Your inability to understand english leaves you at a loss, again your issue not mine

    so let me know when you have any FACTS supporting you proven wrong claim, thanks
    You redefined act and action to words that just implied physical action. Context was changed by you

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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    You redefined act and action to words that just implied physical action. Context was changed by you
    ZERO context was change that was the context the whole time
    a punch is a physical action

    again . . english

    seriously where are you from?
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