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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    100% correct!!! good job

    this is why your opinions and interpretations of anything else or the purpose doesn't change anything
    the answer to your question is still 100% without any doubts factually YES

    you havent post ONE not ONE single fact that changes anything . . theres nothign you have posted that changes the answer that is already proven by the definition of the lw.
    its not "my" opinion, its not anybody perception, it is the factual wording and definition of the law. Each and everytime it has destroyed ever weak attempt you have made to change it . . but . . . facts don't change

    uness the defintion is changed by the government or legal process your claim will continue to be wrong

    now, if you will . . .present ONE fact (not opinions) that supports you and change the answer to your question . . .ONE
    How is it factually wrong please enlighten me

    Already have many times can't help it that you blatantly ignore it

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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    Are you willing to retract this statement "You could be MOTIVATED to punch a guy cause he is black but you DONT actually act on that so there would be ZERO crime if there was no action"
    why??????
    of course not because that statement as written in context is 100% true lol

    if TIM feels motivated to punch Jim solely because he is black BUT never does it, no crime takes place. TIM committed no crime. this is a fact.

    i challenge you to show otherwise and tell me the crime if you disagree, what will TIM be charged with, like your other posts your attempt will fail and be destroyed because facts will win.

    also, thank you again for proving you have no understanding of this law.
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    How is it factually wrong please enlighten me

    Already have many times can't help it that you blatantly ignore it
    translation: you have no facts that support you, please let me know when you do . . .
    thank you
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    why??????
    of course not because that statement as written in context is 100% true lol

    if TIM feels motivated to punch Jim solely because he is black BUT never does it, no crime takes place. TIM committed no crime. this is a fact.

    i challenge you to show otherwise and tell me the crime if you disagree, what will TIM be charged with, like your other posts your attempt will fail and be destroyed because facts will win.

    also, thank you again for proving you have no understanding of this law.
    This is your actual quote You could be MOTIVATED to punch a guy cause he is black but you DONT actually act on that so there would be ZERO crime if there was no action/

    So you reworded instead of retracting it. Ok that's integrity if I ever knew it

    Doesn't it suck when you take something out of context, flip it, try to make someone look stupid with it but then ultimately have it bite you in the butt?

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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    1.)The definitions I have posed show how it's a hate crime because it's based on mark zuckerbergs perceived identity with the religion, in other words the hate crime is the motivation base don the bias of the victims identity.
    2.) Your stipulation is refuted because hey added perceived into the law
    1.) 100% false you havent posted ANYTHING that does that
    unless you CHANGE the example which YOU cant do, you cant change my example
    2.) the only way this would work is if the guy said "oh i burned down the church because i thought that owner was a christian and i want to harm him." the guy admitted he wanted to destroy the church cause of christianity . . this was established PAGES ago lol nice try

    so once again your post compete fails and facts remain victorious
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    translation: you have no facts that support you, please let me know when you do . . .
    thank you
    I already posted me here you go again (1) Offenses involving actual or perceived race, color, religion, or national

    (2) Offenses involving actual or perceived religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability. -

    (c) Whoever intentionally defaces, damages, or destroys any religious real property because of the race, color, or ethnic characteristics of any individual associated with that religious property, or attempts to do so, shall be punished as provided in subsection (d).

    My statement, hate crime is the motivation based on he bias of the victims identity. Now follow closely because it's not in crayon

    An offense on involving a persons race, religion etc etc is the motivation based on the bias of the victims identity, whether it's real identity or perceived

    Offenses involving actual or perceived religion, origin etc etc is a motivation based on the victims identity

    The destruction of religious property based on the characteristics of a individual associated with the property is an offense involving actual or perceived religion. In other words, it is the motivation if bias towards the victims identity. Proving your counter argument completely wrong

    These are stipulations in the actual law itself so cut and dry is he definition of the law

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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    1.)This is your actual quote You could be MOTIVATED to punch a guy cause he is black but you DONT actually act on that so there would be ZERO crime if there was no action/
    1.)So you reworded instead of retracting it. Ok that's integrity if I ever knew it
    2.)Doesn't it suck when you take something out of context, flip it, try to make someone look stupid with it but then ultimately have it bite you in the butt?


    1.) again ENGLISH, me adding names to it doesnt change anything especially context lol
    thank you for again proving you dont understand it or english
    2.) i wouldnt know since your just did that to yourself, tell me how does it feel?

    so maybe in your next post you can tell me what crime you would be charged with for being motivated but not doing it
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    I already posted me here you go again (1) Offenses involving actual or perceived race, color, religion, or national

    (2) Offenses involving actual or perceived religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability. -

    (c) Whoever intentionally defaces, damages, or destroys any religious real property because of the race, color, or ethnic characteristics of any individual associated with that religious property, or attempts to do so, shall be punished as provided in subsection (d).

    My statement, hate crime is the motivation based on he bias of the victims identity. Now follow closely because it's not in crayon

    An offense on involving a persons race, religion etc etc is the motivation based on the bias of the victims identity, whether it's real identity or perceived

    Offenses involving actual or perceived religion, origin etc etc is a motivation based on the victims identity

    The destruction of religious property based on the characteristics of a individual associated with the property is an offense involving actual or perceived religion. In other words, it is the motivation if bias towards the victims identity. Proving your counter argument completely wrong

    These are stipulations in the actual law itself so cut and dry is he definition of the law

    that changes nothing unless the person doing the crime PERCEIVED something or it could be proven that he did
    in the example this factually did NOT happen. Your post fails again.

    maybe your next post wont fail and facts wont beat it again.

    I can do this all day its so much fun when people post ies and deny facts. Pointing out when people do this is my second favorite thing to do here.

    So now im waiting for those FACTS that support your claim.
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) again ENGLISH, me adding names to it doesnt change anything especially context lol
    thank you for again proving you dont understand it or english
    2.) i wouldnt know since your just did that to yourself, tell me how does it feel?

    so maybe in your next post you can tell me what crime you would be charged with for being motivated but not doing it
    Here's he original quote "You could be MOTIVATED to punch a guy cause he is black but you DONT actually act on that so there would be ZERO crime if there was no action/"

    Here's the new quote
    if TIM feels motivated to punch Jim solely because he is black BUT never does it, no crime takes place. TIM committed no crime. this is a fact.

    Tell me why aren't here any bolder words in the second quote

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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) yes he was charged for his actions thats a fact
    2.) im not i simply understand the facts
    3.) false there is no crime based on thought
    So making **** up is your strategy?

    if assault you and get charge with assault, that is action, if its found out later that i wanted to kill you i know also get charged with attempted murder

    its based on MOTIVE and REASONING of the CRIME/ACTION and in this case its not a hate crime as long as my motive for wanting to kill you or assault you doesnt fit

    and in the case of hate crime its also based on MOTIVE and reasoning of my ACTION, not the thought alone

    its action, not thought, thought is legal
    The difference between assault and attempted murder is what crime you intend to commit, or to put it another way, the action you where trying to do. Hate crimes are crimes of motivation, why you committed a crime. No amount of lame formatting is going to change that basic fact.
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