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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    in before "why are hate crime laws legal"
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    yeah i dont understand why hate crime laws are confusing to people. dont get me wrong i want ALL laws to be used and enforced properly with proper evidence but other than that theres nothing to understand.

    we already have many laws that follow suit like assault and aggravated assault etc.
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Que?



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    Um

    1) my opinion on the topic fits none of the groupings (lib-con-etc) your gave

    2) well if I read it wrong, my apologies. what is a word worse than "despicable" (aka the word that would then apply to stormfront posters {non troll variety})

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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    Um

    1) my opinion on the topic fits none of the groupings (lib-con-etc) your gave

    2) well if I read it wrong, my apologies. what is a word worse than "despicable" (aka the word that would then apply to stormfront posters {non troll variety})
    It's not that you read it wrong, it's that there's more to it than the words you see on the screen.
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It's not that you read it wrong, it's that there's more to it than the words you see on the screen.
    fair enough, just saying it is really odd to a "newb" devoid of any context.

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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Do you think we should the murderers of Zemir Belgic with hate crime laws?

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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    Do you think we should the murderers of Zemir Belgic with hate crime laws?
    not familiar with that murder/case but the answer is pretty simple

    it doesnt matter what i "think" it matters what evidence supports

    in the OP the evidence is very clear, fact based and obvious . . .

    is there factual evidence of a hate crime in the case you are referring?
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    not familiar with that murder/case but the answer is pretty simple

    it doesnt matter what i "think" it matters what evidence supports

    in the OP the evidence is very clear, fact based and obvious . . .

    is there factual evidence of a hate crime in the case you are referring?
    There's witnesses who reported the group yelled kill white people before killing him in St. Louis while the ferguson protests were happening. The police say that that is not evidence of a racially based hate crime I'm just curious what you think.

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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    There's witnesses who reported the group yelled kill white people before killing him in St. Louis while the ferguson protests were happening. The police say that that is not evidence of a racially based hate crime I'm just curious what you think.
    well id have to partially agree
    "witnesses" is circumstantial currently
    the questions that would come up are what witnesses, where were they, who are they?


    if you want to know what I "think" even though thats meaningless ill tell you

    in my opinion if it were up to me and those witnesses seemed credible and were willing to testify i would at least add hate crime to the charges and then it would be up to the jury to determine if the evidence was strong enough to stick. AGain it simply doesnt matter what i think.

    also note that part may never make it to trail if its not sound enough

    and also again this is just like anything else there needs to be solid evidence just like with murder 1 and murder 2 and murder 3/involuntary homicide etc. it has to go by evidence.

    so what do you "think" about what i "think" lol
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    well id have to partially agree
    "witnesses" is circumstantial currently
    the questions that would come up are what witnesses, where were they, who are they?


    if you want to know what I "think" even though thats meaningless ill tell you

    in my opinion if it were up to me and those witnesses seemed credible and were willing to testify i would at least add hate crime to the charges and then it would be up to the jury to determine if the evidence was strong enough to stick. AGain it simply doesnt matter what i think.

    also note that part may never make it to trail if its not sound enough

    and also again this is just like anything else there needs to be solid evidence just like with murder 1 and murder 2 and murder 3/involuntary homicide etc. it has to go by evidence.

    so what to you "think" about what i "think" lol
    You're right but let's just assume a group of white people were reported yelling kill all black people by witnesses before killing a black guy with his wife. Also, it's pretty obvious they targeted him because he is white.

    Personally I think hate crime law should not even exist. I do not agree with racism in the slightest but I also don't think we should legally punish people for motivation. The scumbag threatening the family deserves to be arrested on charges pertaining to the threat and causing fear in the family's life but not charged on his own personal motivation. Just as the people killing zemir begic should be charged with murder but not hate crime. Now the Bosnians in the St. Louis area feel like they aren't properly represented by the authorities because they won't charge the teens with hate crime. This shows that charging people based on thought will only cause more division.
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