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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    100% false, you are free to THINK anythign you want its the actions that break the law

    no actions, no crime
    No, his action in this case was to threaten the lives of two people. That is a crime in itself, but not what he was charged with.
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    1.)No, his action in this case was to threaten the lives of two people. That is a crime in itself, but not what he was charged with.
    once again false
    no action, no crime

    thought is allowed, action is not

    thought is NOT the crime by defintion
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    sorry none of these changes the definition of the law, your statement was still factually wrong that fact wont change
    "church owner" isnt a listed criteria LMAO
    let me know when you can present anythign that change the definition of hate crimes and proves the facts all wrong . . anything . . .heck . . ONE thing . . one fact that would make me ignore the law, and crime definitions and criteria and use your unsupportable opinion instead . . .
    you cant do it and will never be able to
    Its awesome you keep arguing against facts and losing

    your post fails and facts win again
    Is your hypothetical situation a hate crime?

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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    once again false
    no action, no crime

    thought is allowed, action is not

    thought is NOT the crime by defintion
    His action was to threaten the lives of two people, which he was not prosecuted for. Not sure why you are struggling with that. The distinction between a "hate crime" and the crime based on the actions is how the defendant thought.
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    Is your hypothetical situation a hate crime?
    by law the definition of law, yes it factually is and YOU yourself already agreed to the fact multiple times
    but whether you agree and now retract your agreement is meaningless, fact remains it is and that wont change.
    the integrity based thing now would be to simply admit the answer was yes to your question and your statement claiming otherwise was wrong
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    1.) His action was to threaten the lives of two people, which he was not prosecuted for.
    2.)Not sure why you are struggling with that.
    3.) The distinction between a "hate crime" and the crime based on the actions is how the defendant thought.
    1.) yes he was charged for his actions thats a fact
    2.) im not i simply understand the facts
    3.) false there is no crime based on thought

    if assault you and get charge with assault, that is action, if its found out later that i wanted to kill you i know also get charged with attempted murder

    its based on MOTIVE and REASONING of the CRIME/ACTION and in this case its not a hate crime as long as my motive for wanting to kill you or assault you doesnt fit

    and in the case of hate crime its also based on MOTIVE and reasoning of my ACTION, not the thought alone

    its action, not thought, thought is legal
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    by law the definition of law, yes it factually is and YOU yourself already agreed to the fact multiple times
    but whether you agree and now retract your agreement is meaningless, fact remains it is and that wont change.
    the integrity based thing now would be to simply admit the answer was yes to your question and your statement claiming otherwise was wrong
    Who is the victim of your hate crime, what constitutes it as a hate crime, and how do you prove it's a hate crime

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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    1.) Who is the victim of your hate crime
    2.) what constitutes it as a hate crime
    3.) and how do you prove it's a hate crime
    good lord we have been over this already, you cant beat the facts your statement was destroyed and you lost pages ago to them

    1.) there is no victim of the "hate crime" the hate crime was done to property
    2.) the arson of a building based on bigotry of the christian religion, pure definition of hate crime
    3.) already said he stated so

    facts win again
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    good lord we have been over this already, you cant beat the facts your statement was destroyed and you lost pages ago to them

    1.) there is no victim of the "hate crime" the hate crime was done to property
    2.) the arson of a building based on bigotry of the christian religion, pure definition of hate crime
    3.) already said he stated so

    facts win again
    So then by the same token if my house gets burned down is that a victimless crime?

    Based on e bigotry of Christian religion, how do you prove this?

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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    1.)So then by the same token if my house gets burned down is that a victimless crime?
    2.)Based on e bigotry of Christian religion, how do you prove this?
    1.) WTH? who even suggested that and HOW lol
    why do you just make stuff up?
    2.) reread number 3

    this is getting easier and easier to show facts prove you wrong

    so lets see what you learned
    your question was "Can you be charged with a hate crime without a bias towards the victims identity"
    the factual answer is YES as proven by law and the definition of the crime

    do you still disagree with this fact? yes or no
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