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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    yes based on DEFINED criteria that the victim doesn't fit hence why the definition destroys your false claims and proves them wrong
    sorry unless you write congress and they change the definition of the law you will continue to be wrong. Your opinion will never change facts. You cant just make up gorups and apply it LMAO There is NOTHING on your side, every attempt will fail.

    your post fails and facts win again
    Well if I own a business I'm identified as a business owner, if I own a church I'm identified as a church owner. If my church gets burned down because of a bias towards Christianity I am a victim because of my identity of a church owner regardless of my own personal belief. If my business gets burned down because I hire black people I'm a victim because of my identity as a business owner who hires blacks. This simple explanation proves that your hypothetical situation still doesn't negate my definition of a hate crime being a crime against someone on the motivation of being bias towards a victims identity. Even if the victim defines themselves in a different manner their identity still falls into the presumption of church owner

    To further my explanation, when someone is brought up on hate crime charges because he did something illegal with the motivation of that bias you would have to prove his initial prejudice. Doing so, puts the case of personal opinion the actual basis for the court case, at least the basis for the charges of hate crime. If you charge him with murder and a hate crime you have to prove that the assailant murdered the person, and that the persons opinions reflect that of being prejudice in the manner pertaining to the crime. Which makes it a separate crime based solely on thought, causing it to be a thought crime.

    You can't charge someone with a hate crime if the person doesn't have a predisposition to the bias in question. You have to prove the person thinks this certain way. Your example doesn't disprove this in the slightest it's an attempt to destroy my argument by focusing on things like " well maybe the victim doesn't necessarily fall into the prejudice" it still doesn't change the fact that the entire scope of a hate crime case is on the basis of the perpetrators opinion on race, sex etc etc.

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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    further proof you dont understand the law
    what groups? and what MORE protection?
    A black person who is the victim of a racist white robbing him has more protection under the charges against the assailant then I do if I get robbed by the same person. Not debatable.

    Certain groups meaning in cases of difference in thought someone is more protected by law under the political opinions of the assailant then others. It gives more dominant protection based solely on race, sexual orientation etc.etc

    My example shows this

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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Things like this piss me off. He threatened the lives of two people. That is a crime and prosecutable in his state. He did not interfere with their housing rights, and how he felt about them is entirely irrelevant. And yet he got charged with the latter.
    not me, i agree with the courts assessment of how hate crimes deserve extra scrutiny just like many other laws use motivation and reason to asses the severity of the original charge or to add more charges. But you are free to not like it.
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    These same people who tolerate hate crime laws would be screaming bloody murder if someone who assaulted a rich person was charged with a hate crime law for assaulting a rich person.
    so you have no answer? i didn't think so
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    Well if I own a business I'm identified as a business owner, if I own a church I'm identified as a church owner. If my church gets burned down because of a bias towards Christianity I am a victim because of my identity of a church owner regardless of my own personal belief. If my business gets burned down because I hire black people I'm a victim because of my identity as a business owner who hires blacks. This simple explanation proves that your hypothetical situation still doesn't negate my definition of a hate crime being a crime against someone on the motivation of being bias towards a victims identity. Even if the victim defines themselves in a different manner their identity still falls into the presumption of church owner

    To further my explanation, when someone is brought up on hate crime charges because he did something illegal with the motivation of that bias you would have to prove his initial prejudice. Doing so, puts the case of personal opinion the actual basis for the court case, at least the basis for the charges of hate crime. If you charge him with murder and a hate crime you have to prove that the assailant murdered the person, and that the persons opinions reflect that of being prejudice in the manner pertaining to the crime. Which makes it a separate crime based solely on thought, causing it to be a thought crime.

    You can't charge someone with a hate crime if the person doesn't have a predisposition to the bias in question. You have to prove the person thinks this certain way. Your example doesn't disprove this in the slightest it's an attempt to destroy my argument by focusing on things like " well maybe the victim doesn't necessarily fall into the prejudice" it still doesn't change the fact that the entire scope of a hate crime case is on the basis of the perpetrators opinion on race, sex etc etc.
    sorry none of these changes the definition of the law, your statement was still factually wrong that fact wont change
    "church owner" isnt a listed criteria LMAO
    let me know when you can present anythign that change the definition of hate crimes and proves the facts all wrong . . anything . . .heck . . ONE thing . . one fact that would make me ignore the law, and crime definitions and criteria and use your unsupportable opinion instead . . .
    you cant do it and will never be able to
    Its awesome you keep arguing against facts and losing

    your post fails and facts win again
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    A black person who is the victim of a racist white robbing him has more protection under the charges against the assailant then I do if I get robbed by the same person. Not debatable.

    Certain groups meaning in cases of difference in thought someone is more protected by law under the political opinions of the assailant then others. It gives more dominant protection based solely on race, sexual orientation etc.etc

    My example shows this
    100% debatable lol it funny you think that means sometime with ZERO facts to back it up

    i will ask AGAIN
    what groups? and what MORE protection?
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    not me, i agree with the courts assessment of how hate crimes deserve extra scrutiny just like many other laws use motivation and reason to asses the severity of the original charge or to add more charges. But you are free to not like it.
    So you think the court should be able to prosecute people for what they think?
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So you think the court should be able to prosecute people for what they think?
    nope . . . .and never even hinted otherwise
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    nope . . . .and never even hinted otherwise
    Except that is what hate crime laws do.
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Except that is what hate crime laws do.
    100% false, you are free to THINK anythign you want its the actions that break the law

    no actions, no crime
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