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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    you didnt answer the question
    and as far as what you just said above that is only true if they dont break hate crime laws

    EVERY person to break hate crime laws is an average person based on gender, race etc
    Again when average person makes a threat of violence against other average person not of a protected class they are not charged with a hate crime law. They are charged with making criminal threat. Calling it a hate crime is basically a piss poor excuse to tack on extra punishment and give a protected class of people more justice for the same crime. Justice is supposed to be blind.So a person's financial status,race, gender or what ever should be totally irrelevant. A white man who makes a threat of violence against another white man should be treated no different than white man who makes a threat of violence against another person because of financial status, position in society, race or anything else.
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Again when average person makes a threat of violence against other average person not of a protected class they are not charged with a hate crime law. They are charged with making criminal threat. Calling it a hate crime is basically a piss poor excuse to tack on extra punishment and give a protected class of people more justice for the same crime. Justice is supposed to be blind.So a person's financial status,race, gender or what ever should be totally irrelevant. A white man who makes a threat of violence against another white man should be treated no different than white man who makes a threat of violence against another person because of financial status, position in society, race or anything else.
    This also breaks the equal protection clause in the 14th amendment because it makes certain groups protected more thoroughly then others. If Im A target of a white racist I should be protected by the same law then if a black is targeted by a white racist, or vice versa. It differentiates more protection for people based on sub groups and perpetrators thoughts.

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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    Tell me how in your hypothetical case of mark zuckerberg owning a church that was burned down for the purpose of hating Christians isn't victimizing him for his identity of being an entrepreneur of Christianity by owning churches based on the bias of being anti Christian.
    simple

    because the hate crime was the bigotry was against christianity, Mark nor facebook is christian, that is not thier "identity". Thats a LEGAL fact. there is no such legal term or classification in hate crime as entrepreneur of Christianity. DO you see entrepreneur of Christianity in the hate crime definition? NOPE.
    there is no amount of your opinion that will change these facts or the definition of hate crime. You statement was wrong and unless they change the law it will always be wrong. PLEASE keep trying though, thanks.

    sorry once again your post fails and facts win
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Again when average person makes a threat of violence against other average person not of a protected class they are not charged with a hate crime law. They are charged with making criminal threat. Calling it a hate crime is basically a piss poor excuse to tack on extra punishment and give a protected class of people more justice for the same crime. Justice is supposed to be blind.So a person's financial status,race, gender or what ever should be totally irrelevant. A white man who makes a threat of violence against another white man should be treated no different than white man who makes a threat of violence against another person because of financial status, position in society, race or anything else.
    what protected class are you talking about we ALL belong to one . . .all of us . . .
    yes it is EXTRA punishment like MANY MANY laws are but its not based on special treatment of classes since we all belong to them . . thats just factually false and silly
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    simple

    because the hate crime was the bigotry was against christianity, Mark nor facebook is christian, that is not thier "identity". Thats a LEGAL fact. there is no such legal term or classification in hate crime as entrepreneur of Christianity. DO you see entrepreneur of Christianity in the hate crime definition? NOPE.
    there is no amount of your opinion that will change these facts or the definition of hate crime. You statement was wrong and unless they change the law it will always be wrong. PLEASE keep tryign though, thanks.

    sorry once again your post fails and facts win
    No but the definition of hate crime is the targeting with the motivation of prejudices. Mark owning a church is a victim of the crime because he owns a church, his identity in the hypothesis is owner of a church and he is victimized by the motivational bias of anti Christianity even if he doesn't believe it. If I own a house and I have black friends over and the kkk burns slashes my tire it's a hate crime because my property was targeted on the basis of the kkk hatred for blacks. I am then turned into a victim because of my identity of a white person be friending blacks.

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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    This also breaks the equal protection clause in the 14th amendment because it makes certain groups protected more thoroughly then others. If Im A target of a white racist I should be protected by the same law then if a black is targeted by a white racist, or vice versa. It differentiates more protection for people based on sub groups and perpetrators thoughts.
    further proof you dont understand the law
    what groups? and what MORE protection?
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    No but the definition of hate crime is the targeting with the motivation of prejudices. Mark owning a church is a victim of the crime because he owns a church, his identity in the hypothesis is owner of a church and he is victimized by the motivational bias of anti Christianity even if he doesn't believe it. If I own a house and I have black friends over and the kkk burns slashes my tire it's a hate crime because my property was targeted on the basis of the kkk hatred for blacks. I am then turned into a victim because of my identity of a white person be friending blacks.
    yes based on DEFINED criteria that the victim doesn't fit hence why the definition destroys your false claims and proves them wrong
    sorry unless you write congress and they change the definition of the law you will continue to be wrong. Your opinion will never change facts. You cant just make up gorups and apply it LMAO There is NOTHING on your side, every attempt will fail.

    your post fails and facts win again
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    Things like this piss me off. He threatened the lives of two people. That is a crime and prosecutable in his state. He did not interfere with their housing rights, and how he felt about them is entirely irrelevant. And yet he got charged with the latter.
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    what protected class are you talking about we ALL belong to one . . .all of us . . .
    yes it is EXTRA punishment like MANY MANY laws are but its not based on special treatment of classes since we all belong to them . . thats just factually false and silly
    These same people who tolerate hate crime laws would be screaming bloody murder if someone who assaulted a rich person was charged with a hate crime law for assaulting a rich person.
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