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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    just couldnt resist could you, you had to try and add stuff to make yourslef feel right but you are still wrong and the additional proof is coming since the defintion already proves it.
    1.) correct

    i wll now ignore your meaningless opinions, rantings and factually wrong assumptions and continue teaching you

    next question and answer it and only it

    who is the legal victim of this (with the assumption nobody died in the fire)?
    Already answered, either the property owners of the church as well as it sparks terror into the Christian community multiple victims

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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    Already answered, either the property owners of the church as well as it sparks terror into the Christian community multiple victims
    LEGAL victim
    your opinion of the christian community doesn't play in the defintions of law but it was a motivation for its invention

    so now you agree that
    1.) it is a hate crime and the bigotry was against the christian religion as the assailant would say
    2.) the LEGAL victim is the owner

    correct so far?
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    LEGAL victim
    your opinion of the christian community doesn't play in the defintions of law but it was a motivation for its invention

    so now you agree that
    1.) it is a hate crime and the bigotry was against the christian religion as the assailant would say
    2.) the LEGAL victim is the owner

    correct so far?
    So then tell me why is it a hate crime, is it intended to put fear into the Christian community? Sparking of that fear doesn't create victims of terror

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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    So then tell me why is it a hate crime, is it intended to put fear into the Christian community? Sparking of that fear doesn't create victims of terror
    dont confuse yourself and just answer the questions, stop over thinking cause it gets you in trouble and cause you to be wrong
    do you agree with facts 1 and 2? yes or no
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    dont confuse yourself and just answer the questions, stop over thinking cause it gets you in trouble and cause you to be wrong
    do you agree with facts 1 and 2? yes or no
    No I don't agree, I believe in that case the Christian community of the area falls victim to the usage of terror by the assailant.

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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    I am against hate crime laws period.A persons,race gender, financial status, position in society or what ever else should not entitle that person to more justice than your average person. Threatening someone with violence is already a crime in Utah.

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    Under Utah criminal law, a person commits the crime of "threat of violence" if the person "threatens to commit any offense involving bodily injury, death, or substantial property damage, and acts with intent to place a person in fear of imminent serious bodily injury, substantial bodily injury, or death."

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    Making a threat of violence is considered a class B misdemeanor under Utah criminal law. As a class B misdemeanor, making a threat of violence is punishable by up to 180 days in jail and nearly $2,000 in fines and surcharge.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I am against hate crime laws period.A persons,race gender, financial status, position in society or what ever else should not entitle that person to more justice than your average person.
    you are free to not support them, i do :shurg:

    you statement doesnt make sense though does the avg person not have a race or gender?
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    you are free to not support them, i do :shurg:

    you statement doesnt make sense though does the avg person not have a race or gender?
    Your average person is who makes a threat of violence against someone else is not going to be charged with hate crime laws.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    No I don't agree, I believe in that case the Christian community of the area falls victim to the usage of terror by the assailant.
    and that is 100% factually false based on legality.
    Its an OPINION you are allowed to have but we are talkign facts and laws so your opinion is meaningless.
    LEGALLY what could the christian community do? could they press charges based on them being chrisitian? nope

    they are factually not the victiums

    anyway moing on from your mistake

    its fact its a hate crime
    its a fact the owner is a victium

    your false and proven wrong claim is there can only be a hate crime if there is a biased towards the victim's identity

    well what if the owner was mark zuckerberg? an atheist

    or better yet a corporation, say facebook owned it and the property, an atheist corporation.

    well the IDENTITY of the victim is atheist and therefore the crime would not be against the victim's identity but it would still be a hate crime by definition.
    Like i said facts, laws and the crims definition all prove you wrong and you have nothign on your side besides "nu-huh", this fact wont change

    you're welcome
    facts win again
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Your average person is who makes a threat of violence against someone else is not going to be charged with hate crime laws.
    you didnt answer the question
    and as far as what you just said above that is only true if they dont break hate crime laws

    EVERY person to break hate crime laws is an average person based on gender, race etc
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