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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    2) The definition (that you cited) of a hate crime does not include gender so how could victim selection based on gender qualify as a hate crime?
    1.) i didnt say it did? now im really lost lol
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) i didnt say it did? now im really lost lol
    This is what you said:

    3.) i agree its weird not to have gender listed but im not sure its actually not taken into account, ive seen a good amount of different verbiage...
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    This is what you said:
    oooooooooh i get it now. you were aksing what ground it would be taken under consideration if it was considered . . like i said . . i was saying i was UNSURE because ive seen different verbiage but i wasn't saying it was or was not only that i was unsure
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    in before "why are hate crime laws legal"
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    Right, because a threat on a <insert preferred protected group member here> is so much worse than a threat on, say, little ole white male me. If they carry it out on both of us, who is more dead?
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) no thats not an "interpretation" that is highlighting what is FACTUALLY there lol

    if i show you that 2 + 2 = 4 and i bold the + and 4 thats not an interpretation, wow that is silly

    2.) yes i know what YOU said and it has not meaning to the definition and your statement being wrong and the answer being yes. You are arguing for what YOU something is and not what the actual definitions is because you still do not understand it. Again your mistake and your issue.

    facts still win and your claim still fails
    I'm just asking for an example of a hate crime without bias being the motivation towards the victims identity that's all. If you can't give me an example were done talking

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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    I'm just asking for an example of a hate crime without bias being the motivation towards the victims identity that's all. If you can't give me an example were done talking
    good lord you expose yourself more with every post showing you dont understand the law, rights or hate crime eventhough you have the defintions of it
    i will spare you and teach you padawon

    this is your question " "Can you be charged with a hate crime without a bias towards the victims identity"
    the factual answer is YES proven by definition

    you claim that it is false and the definition is wrong but its not, you cant understand the definition so you need an example

    if a guy has a hatred and bigotry toward the christian religion and christians and he burns down a church based on that bigotry that is indeed a hate crime by definition. Correct?

    also its a yes no question dont jump ahead with assumptions cause you will fail I will further teach you after you answer
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by LagerHead View Post
    Right, because a threat on a <insert preferred protected group member here> is so much worse than a threat on, say, little ole white male me. If they carry it out on both of us, who is more dead?
    white males are also in the protected group
    seems you dont understand the law or what hate crimes are
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Hate Crimes are an insult to those that are victims of crimes of equal victimhood that do not fall under Hate Crime status.
    Quite so. It's about the infringement of rights, not the multitude of stupid reasons as to why one decided to infringe upon the rights of others.
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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    good lord you expose yourself more with every post showing you dont understand the law, rights or hate crime eventhough you have the defintions of it
    i will spare you and teach you padawon

    this is your question " "Can you be charged with a hate crime without a bias towards the victims identity"
    the factual answer is YES proven by definition

    you claim that it is false and the definition is wrong but its not, you cant understand the definition so you need an example

    if a guy has a hatred and bigotry toward the christian religion and christians and he burns down a church based on that bigotry that is indeed a hate crime by definition. Correct?

    also its a yes no question dont jump ahead with assumptions cause you will fail I will further teach you after you answer
    Yes it's a hate crime because he targeted the Christian church based on his motivation of being biased. The victims of that crime would obviously be members of the Christian community in that area, also specifically depending on the private ownership of the church. That crime is a crime based on the motivation of a bias towards the identity of the victim. The idea that it's a "victimless crime" is ludicrous because the argument would be made it was used to spark terror in the members of the Christian community. As well as the owners of the church would have a crime committed against them with property law, creating even further a direct victim. Please give an actual example where it's not based on the bias of the victims identity.

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    Re: Utah man gets maximum sentence in hate crime case

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    1.) Yes it's a hate crime because he targeted the Christian church based on his motivation of being biased.
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    just couldnt resist could you, you had to try and add stuff to make yourslef feel right but you are still wrong and the additional proof is coming since the defintion already proves it.
    1.) correct

    i wll now ignore your meaningless opinions, rantings and factually wrong assumptions and continue teaching you

    next question and answer it and only it

    who is the legal victim of this (with the assumption nobody died in the fire)?
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