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    Re: President Obama to order more training, oversight for military gear to cops.....

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I'm fine with police officers wearing body cams, but it is neither inexpensive nor an easy system to manage correctly AND it is something that cannot be mandated federally.
    Do you think it's worth the cost? I can probably find a long list of gear purchased by police forces after 9/11 that is pretty useless. This actually helps police officers improve credibility and improves accountability. It improves the situation both ways...do you think any minority neighborhood trusts a police officer in a police shooting? This gives the police officer testimony proof. Same with bad cops, now there is a sense of accountability for their actions.

    Like I said, it's not a silver bullet but it's much better than mine resistant uparmored carriers in meeting the mission of local police forces.
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    Re: President Obama to order more training, oversight for military gear to cops.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Coming soon to a Police Dept near you. Police Officers to wear Body Cameras. BO is doling out 75 mil for the new equipment. What say ye?


    President Barack Obama is expected to sign an executive order to encourage more oversight of federal programs that dole out military gear to local police departments, senior administration officials said Monday. The executive order will direct agencies that distribute military-style equipment to local police to require training for cops that receive the gear. The president will also require officials to create a central database to track the supplies, as a significant number of weapons and vehicles previously allocated have gone missing.

    Obama does plan to dole out one new piece of equipment to police departments that will likely please civil liberterians: The White House will allocate $75 million dollars over three years to provide police departments with up to 50,000 body-worn cameras for their officers.....snip~

    President Obama to order more training, oversight for military gear to cops
    This is scary. Should have seen it coming. The federal government getting involved with local law enforcement.

    What's next, uniformed federal police patrolling the streets and writing tickets for j-walking and littering ?

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    Re: President Obama to order more training, oversight for military gear to cops.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    In which case the cop's word should be enough, just like it is today. But the body camera would cut way down on police misconduct.
    Maybe, but maybe not. It may just cut down on police conduct in general which is not necessarily a good thing. When in doubt whether the camera caught the initial criminal act then why make any effort to pursue that any further? Why take a chance on getting into trouble, especially in "bad" neighborhoods?
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    Re: President Obama to order more training, oversight for military gear to cops.....

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Do you think it's worth the cost? I can probably find a long list of gear purchased by police forces after 9/11 that is pretty useless. This actually helps police officers improve credibility and improves accountability. It improves the situation both ways...do you think any minority neighborhood trusts a police officer in a police shooting? This gives the police officer testimony proof. Same with bad cops, now there is a sense of accountability for their actions.

    Like I said, it's not a silver bullet but it's much better than mine resistant uparmored carriers in meeting the mission of local police forces.
    There are arguments for and against, and I don't know if it's worth the cost. But it is expensive and the locals have very limited budgets and I wouldn't vote to pay for them in my community. It's not something I'm against, but for the urban communities where you have a lot of anti-police sentiment, pretty sure they have to bite the bullet and spend the money. Unfortunately, it will make the community even poorer.

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    Re: President Obama to order more training, oversight for military gear to cops.....

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    This is scary. Should have seen it coming. The federal government getting involved with local law enforcement.

    What's next, uniformed federal police patrolling the streets and writing tickets for j-walking and littering ?

    Nah Apache.....we evolve to Patrolling Judges.


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    Re: President Obama to order more training, oversight for military gear to cops.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Nah Apache.....we evolve to Patrolling Judges.

    Kinda looks like Obama's America. Or L.A or Chicago on a Friday night. Or Ferguson, Mo.

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    Re: President Obama to order more training, oversight for military gear to cops.....

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    There are arguments for and against, and I don't know if it's worth the cost. But it is expensive and the locals have very limited budgets and I wouldn't vote to pay for them in my community. It's not something I'm against, but for the urban communities where you have a lot of anti-police sentiment, pretty sure they have to bite the bullet and spend the money. Unfortunately, it will make the community even poorer.
    Wouldn't the next step be sending out Police Surveillance Drones with their Cruisers?
    Cameras up by their Police Stations too?

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    Re: President Obama to order more training, oversight for military gear to cops.....

    Two related DP polls.......

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...ht=body+camera

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/law-an...ht=body+camera

    Too bad there wasn't a poll option for:
    "So long as the Black dude residing in the WH doesn't have anything to do with it"

    Obama derangement syndrome anyone?

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    Re: President Obama to order more training, oversight for military gear to cops.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Coming soon to a Police Dept near you. Police Officers to wear Body Cameras. BO is doling out 75 mil for the new equipment. What say ye?


    President Barack Obama is expected to sign an executive order to encourage more oversight of federal programs that dole out military gear to local police departments, senior administration officials said Monday. The executive order will direct agencies that distribute military-style equipment to local police to require training for cops that receive the gear. The president will also require officials to create a central database to track the supplies, as a significant number of weapons and vehicles previously allocated have gone missing.

    Obama does plan to dole out one new piece of equipment to police departments that will likely please civil liberterians: The White House will allocate $75 million dollars over three years to provide police departments with up to 50,000 body-worn cameras for their officers.....snip~

    President Obama to order more training, oversight for military gear to cops

    Small price to pay.I support cameras on cops. It protects the cops from bogus accusations and protects citizens from the occasional bad apple. I do not think cops should be issued military equipment or at least they should not be able to what your average law abiding citizen can not get.
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    Re: President Obama to order more training, oversight for military gear to cops.....

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Small price to pay.I support cameras on cops. It protects the cops from bogus accusations and protects citizens from the occasional bad apple. I do not think cops should be issued military equipment or at least they should not be able to what your average law abiding citizen can not get.
    Heya JR. I don't think it should be a Fed issue or require some EO for the cameras. But then I can also see CB's point with communities that are strapped for cash.

    Which I also brought up about the Police dept eventually being able to send out drones with their officers in an area.



    But it's unclear if the president's actions will have any effect on the amount of military-style gear the federal government doles out to local cops......snip~

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