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    Re: President Obama to order more training, oversight for military gear to cops.....

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Good afternoon MMC

    So much shopping to do with taxpayers' dollars and only two more years for the spree. It'll be like Christmas in the White House for the next 25 months.

    And of course, this initiative does nothing to address any of the real problems facing the country.
    It will help prevent the black vote from dropping below 90% demorat. Obama is all about politics; fixing real problems requires real solutions. Maybe he can issue an OE to make it a civil rights violation to make any arrest off camera.
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    Re: President Obama to order more training, oversight for military gear to cops.....

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    What police departments where? The article doesn't say.

    There are something like 900,000 law enforcement officers in the USA.
    Obama knows that but has only chump change to give away via EO. This is not about reality this is about perception; politics is all about perception.
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    Re: President Obama to order more training, oversight for military gear to cops.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya CJ. Well he does get off another EO.....and of course dole out money he doesn't have.
    Obama has lots of money - he only "lacks resources" for things that he would rather not do.
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    Re: President Obama to order more training, oversight for military gear to cops.....

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    I agree that they should wear cameras but, wouldn't that be the first thing a criminal would rip off their uniform?
    In which case the cop's word should be enough, just like it is today. But the body camera would cut way down on police misconduct.
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    Re: President Obama to order more training, oversight for military gear to cops.....

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I don't believe the federal has the grant of power to compel such a thing. The police are not a federal agency, they are state and local. As to that last, I know for a fact it is not true.
    The federal government can't tell state and local police how to do their jobs...but the feds CAN simply tell them that federal funding for project X is dependent upon whether the police wear body cameras.

    I mean, are you against requiring the police to wear body cameras?
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    Re: President Obama to order more training, oversight for military gear to cops.....

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    It's a step in the right direction. It's an actual tangible measure to improve policing and increase accountability. It may not be a silver bullet but it's a relatively inexpensive step in the right direction
    I'm fine with police officers wearing body cams, but it is neither inexpensive nor an easy system to manage correctly AND it is something that cannot be mandated federally.

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    Re: President Obama to order more training, oversight for military gear to cops.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    I think that ALL police should be required to wear body cameras - having such might have prevented what's happened in Ferguson. That, and at least he's looking for oversight of that military gear...because before, there wasn't any oversight at all.
    And who should be making the decisions to require cameras and to fund the requirement for these state and local LEO departments.

    There are three choices:

    State and local governments
    Congress, whose job it is to fund federal expenditures
    The President, through the use of EO's

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    Re: President Obama to order more training, oversight for military gear to cops.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    I have to disagree. You cannot fight terrorism on a national level without having national control of nationally issued military grade weapons. These weapons were originally issued for war by the national government. If they are going to deploy them against their own civilians that's a call the nation seems to support. But in doing so the national government has an obligation for the safety of the nation to first see that these weapons DO NOT fall into the wrong hands, second to ensure they are not used inappropriately and third to ensure there is no over-mission, that the weapons are in fact needed in the war on terror. They are not and should not be for crowd control.

    Knowing the longest undefended boarder in the world I shake when I imagine some whack jobs getting their hands on some serious stuff and head for our border. We have enough illegal weapons entering the country from the US as it is.
    Generally speaking I think you're right but we also need to consider that the police are the first response force for terror incidents so specialized equipment and training for such events is absolutely necessary. The problem we're having right now isn't that the cops have such equipment. It's that the equipment and tactics are being used in situations where they probably aren't necessary.

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    Re: President Obama to order more training, oversight for military gear to cops.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    I have to disagree. You cannot fight terrorism on a national level without having national control of nationally issued military grade weapons. These weapons were originally issued for war by the national government. If they are going to deploy them against their own civilians that's a call the nation seems to support. But in doing so the national government has an obligation for the safety of the nation to first see that these weapons DO NOT fall into the wrong hands, second to ensure they are not used inappropriately and third to ensure there is no over-mission, that the weapons are in fact needed in the war on terror. They are not and should not be for crowd control.

    Knowing the longest undefended boarder in the world I shake when I imagine some whack jobs getting their hands on some serious stuff and head for our border. We have enough illegal weapons entering the country from the US as it is.

    Well, I don't mind the Pentagon and Military keeping track rather than DHS......there are 15 Intel Agencies and the FBI. IMO DHS is a waste of space, money and people that could have been used elsewhere in the field.

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    Re: President Obama to order more training, oversight for military gear to cops.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    In which case the cop's word should be enough, just like it is today. But the body camera would cut way down on police misconduct.
    It may not be a legitimate concern, I don't know - but I do worry that if police are going to be under surveillance 24/7 while on duty are some officers going to be reluctant to get into the dirty areas of the job that we all know they get into - breaking up a couple of drunks fighting, as an example, where they are then criticized roundly for being too rough - or avoid getting involved in trying to quell protestors, such as in Ferguson.

    I don't believe anyone, in any job, should be placed under 24/7 surveillance so that their every move can be monitored and criticized by someone else who hasn't a clue about what the job entails on a minute by minute basis.
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