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The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

Pre-game political statement made by NFL player:

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American flags are at all games.
 
To your statement about rioting and looting. The Rams were not rioting and looting.



I responded to haymarket's prejudicial general statement in general.


Unless he's suggesting anyone here stated that the rams being stupid is somehow being favored to be restricted by libertarians, the concept would have to be expanded to make sense, in it's utter nonsense of course.
 
And did they do that in this case?
In a way...yes, the players did. While on the job, in their employee uniform, the players made a statement which can easily be considered a reflection of their employer. It was not on their own time but it was on company time as representatives of the company.
 
I need more than the NAACP.

Sure. Here is more

https://www.law.upenn.edu/live/news/2170-new-study-by-professor-david-s-abrams-confirms#.VHycLCgzJHg

Please read the entire study. here is a small taste

They look at what they call the “racial gap” in sentencing – the difference between sentences for black defendants and white defendants – and find that it varies across judges, showing that race is affecting sentencing decisions. “We find evidence of significant inter-judge disparity in the racial gap in incarceration rates, providing support for the model where at least some judges treat defendants differently based on their race,” Abrams and his co-authors note in the study. “The magnitude of this effect is substantial. The gap in incarceration rates between White and African-American defendants increases by 18 percentage points (compared to a mean incarceration rate of 51% for African-Americans and 38% for Whites) when moving from the 10th to 90th percentile judge in the racial gap distribution.”

this site also provides a link to over 500 more pieces of information

http://www.sentencingproject.org/template/page.cfm?id=122

So given these items, return to your first. If the justice system is stacked against african americans, how does this all play into it?

It only serves to make things even worse. My father used to tell me not to point a finger of blame at other people because you normally have three of your own pointing right back at you. In other words, part of it is your own damn fault. Perhaps with the sad and long history of slavery and Jim Crow - todays black Americans can get away with two fingers pointing blame - but no doubt the parts of disfunctional behaviors and even a sub-culture that has emerged is also responsible for the sad state of Black America.
 
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American flags are at all games.

Is that not a political statement? This was a player carrying the flag for "military appreciation month." Which is a league sanctioned political statement.

If a person has a political bumper sticker on their car, should they be prevented from parking at their workplace?
 
I responded to haymarket's prejudicial general statement in general.


Unless he's suggesting anyone here stated that the rams being stupid is somehow being favored to be restricted by libertarians, the concept would have to be expanded to make sense, in it's utter nonsense of course.

Read the thread. Many libertarians including yourself are saying that they should be prevented from making a statement.
 
Is that not a political statement? This was a player carrying the flag for "military appreciation month." Which is a league sanctioned political statement.

If a person has a political bumper sticker on their car, should they be prevented from parking at their workplace?

If it was "league sanctioned", you have your answer there. They approved it.

The American flag is at every game. The National Anthem is sung at every game. This is America. This isn't the home of Michael Brown.

If an employer prohibits political bumper stickers (as mine does), then the employees can either obey the rules, or work elsewhere.
 



I don't fully disagree with this. I also believe all non violent felons should be released, regardless of race. End the war on drugs and most of this goes away. I also believe economics plays a factor here as well.


But then again. how much is this due to the fact that african americans commit most violent crimes? how does that affect sentencing (wrongly) of non violent african american drug offenders?

Race, Lead, and Juvenile Crime | Mother Jones

This guy blames lead, but the point is, the numbers:

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Good news is it's decreasing. significantly.
 
Read the thread. Many libertarians including yourself are saying that they should be prevented from making a statement.

Read the thread. Many libertarians are saying they should be prevented from making a statement at a football game which is someone else's time and dollar.
 
Read the thread. Many libertarians including yourself are saying that they should be prevented from making a statement.


When the **** did I say that?


They can be as stupid as they want to be, That's thier right.
 
First I think that the players are misguided by adopting Brown and the hands up / don't shoot mantra but that's up to them. I personally have no problem with them praying on the field, protesting on the field.... it's up to the NFL to decide if certain actions are against NFL policy or are breeches of contract. The NFL is an employer and as such, define what is and is not acceptable behavior for their employees.
 
i first started watching football in 1968 and loved the game, until the early 1990's

its no wonder i came to hate football in today's sense.....with social media and politics becoming involved in it now.

what i would not give to to see the old days of George Blanda, and Joe Kapp.
 
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Ferguson. We don't live in the United States of Michael Brown.

Your post are intentionally obtuse today.

Given that Ferguson is in the United States, I would posit that the United States was the home of Michael Brown. It is also the home of rocket88, and if I'm not mistaken, the home of tres borrachos.
 
Of course it is. It's saying "I love America." Which is a place defined by political boundaries.

The games are played in America. The teams are based in America.

You know quite well an American flag at a football game isn't in the same hemisphere as protests but you're going to pretend you think it.
 
Given that Ferguson is in the United States, I would posit that the United States was the home of Michael Brown. It is also the home of rocket88, and if I'm not mistaken, the home of tres borrachos.

We also don't live in the United States of Tres Borrachos, which is why nobody carries signs with my name on them at sporting events and I don't recall anyone saluting my image either.
 
The games are played in America. The teams are based in America.

You know quite well an American flag at a football game isn't in the same hemisphere as protests but you're going to pretend you think it.

It's not the same kind of statement, but it is a political statement.
 
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