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    re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Ah - defending freedom I see.
    Using your employer's time for your own purposes (which Rocket says are "political") isn't any rational person's definition of "freedom".
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    re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

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    The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest - The Daily Fix - WSJ

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    Professional sports are rarely a province for civil unrest. Take it from a young Michael Jordan, upon being asked to donate to a political campaign, apocryphally responding with “Republicans buy sneakers, too.” But there’s certainly opportunity to players to speak out, and on Sunday, several players for the St. Louis Rams made their voices heard.

    As they came out of the tunnel during introductions before their game against the Oakland Raiders, Tavon Austin, Jared Cook, Chris Givens, Stedman Bailey, and Kenny Britt raised their hands in reference to the “Hands Up, Don’t Shoot” protest—a sign that became ubiquitous during the recent protests in Ferguson, Mo., over the shooting death of black teenager Michael Brown by white police officer Darren Wilson. Following the subsequent investigation, a grand jury decided not to indict Wilson. Protesters across the country have voiced their displeasure with the decision—a number of them were stationed outside the Edward James Dome, where the Rams play. The gesture didn’t go unnoticed, even as the players, all of whom are black, tried to be diplomatic. Britt was quoted as saying, “Taking sides? We wanted to show that we were there for a cause that something positive comes out of it.”

    As far as dialogue between opposing sides, much of which has exposed fractious fault lines within attitudes toward race and state, this passes for downright tranquil. And yet, the players were immediately criticized by the St. Louis Police Officers Association, which released a fiery statement criticizing the players and demanding an appropriate response—reprimand from the team, or the league


    I don't blame the St. Louis PD. WTF? It was proven that Brown was not shot with his hands up in surrender contrary to what his little sidekick in the convenience store robbery claimed - and which people have clung on to as if it were true.

    I'll bet these guys would call the St. Louis PD in a second if there big fancy houses were being robbed.

    The PD's statement is here, and it is indeed "fiery"

    SLPOA condemns Rams display

    Protest is great. Support your cause. I'd love to see the Rams support some causes that are important to me and lots of others too, like animal abuse and elder abuse. But if they did do it where the protest could be seen, I would hope they would be honest about what happened and not feed into the rhetoric and propaganda as they did on Sunday.
    That was a political statement made by members of the NFL at a game. Those players should be heavily fined and take at least a two game suspension.
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    re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    That was a political statement made by members of the NFL at a game. Those players should be heavily fined and take at least a two game suspension.
    Are you being facetious or serious?
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    re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    whatever they want on their own time.

    Noted. you did not address the question I asked.
    Where do you get this idea that when they are working and performing their job function they suddenly give up "their own time". Everybody I am aware of does things on "company time" that are solely their own thing and not a job function. Why should this be any different.

    In you opinion would it be proper for you or your coworkers to do something similar at your work on company time?
    I see nothing wrong with a rather minor and extremely brief expression of protest that does not interfere with the job one is paid to do.
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    re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    They were on the NFL's time and representing the NFL. They aren't being paid to protest.

    They can protest all they want. They need to do it on their own time.
    I tend to agree with this. Would anyone let their employees protest at work without organization approval?

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    re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Are you being facetious or serious?
    I'm being very serious. The NFL needs to squash that right now.
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    re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    nice dodge.
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    Come into work and for five minutes hold up your hands and shout "hands up don't shoot" Is that appropriate?
    As I've learned the hard way, shouting anything at work is rarely appropriate. Remember this statement?

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    re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    And as usual, we can't have any discussion about race without someone claiming that white people are oppressed....


    I never claimed white people are oppressed. I would argue that poor rural white do not have the same depenent welfare state as urban poor do.
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    re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    As a general gesture, and not specific to Brown, it's a fair statement. I'm not sure it's the place for it, unless there was team approval.
    It isn't a fair statement, and it was not a general gesture. The evidence indicates that the gentle giant did not have his hands up in surrender. But when you got nothing and what you do have indicates you are wrong, you go with something.

    Meantime a young man was murdered and set afire on riot night on his way home from work and within yards of the riot scene. Presumably because he did the right thing and talked to the police. Little media coverage, and no protest.

    Perhaps the opportunity afforded these overpaid undereducated idiots could have been better spent calling for more action in this incident.

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    re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Using your employer's time for your own purposes (which Rocket says are "political") isn't any rational person's definition of "freedom".
    One reason I love this site is to watch the constant hypocrisy of those who self identify as Right Libertarians pretending to love freedom and liberty and individualism and then going through all sorts of twists and turns to condemn people exercising their rights if it is not on the right side of the political continuum.
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