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    Re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

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    Such a shame Rock doesn't believe in this today...

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    Re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

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    Actually, no such thing was proven. The only thing that was "proven" in Ferguson was that the GJ did not make a recommendation that charges should be filed. Everything else is conjecture. If you recognize that there is controversy about the Ferguson outcome, everything else makes sense. If, however, because you believe one way and can't see how others can believe another way (including the entire history between the St Louis police and the black community well before anyone ever heard of Brown), then you have no hope of understanding why the St Louis players protested.



    Probably quite begrudgingly as there have no other choices.



    There cluelessness was well documented a year ago and especially since August. Anytime they have spoken or acted since August nothing by drivel as emerged from their lips. They should collectively "man-up" and just shut-up and let the protest happened. They are not without sin in their brutal reputation in the black community.



    Sorry, but protesting Unequal Justice Under the Law and Police brutality may not be important to you (as you seem completely oblivious to the problem), but they are important to others and very worthy of their time. Again, this is not about one kid getting shot by a cop, its about a broader social issue that this one event has illuminated. I am sorry you don't see the bigger picture here.
    Read the GJ testimony. In the end, the "witnesses" who said he had his hands up in surrender were either forced to admit they lied, or forced to admit they weren't even there. It's all available for your reading pleasure.

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    Re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Read the GJ testimony. In the end, the "witnesses" who said he had his hands up in surrender were either forced to admit they lied, or forced to admit they weren't even there. It's all available for your reading pleasure.

    I am sorry that you refuse to see the facts.

    Sorry, there was no trial. No proper vetting of witnesses, which would include cross-examination, and thus nothing real proven (or disproven). We only know that the Grand Jury did not believe there was sufficient evidence to indict.

    What do the newly released witness statements tell us about the Michael Brown shooting? | PBS NewsHour

    I appreciate that you feel a certain way, but at least be intellectually honest enough to respect the opinions of those that do not feel all of the facts are known... and thus respect the rights of black football players, many of whom grew up in inner-cities with their own individual experiences with the police. Some of that direct experience might be consistent with the perception of Brown's interaction.
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    Re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Read the GJ testimony. In the end, the "witnesses" who said he had his hands up in surrender were either forced to admit they lied, or forced to admit they weren't even there. It's all available for your reading pleasure.

    I am sorry that you refuse to see the facts.
    from the PBS cite provided by upsideguy:
    Here’s a breakdown of the data we found:

    More than 50 percent of the witness statements said that Michael Brown held his hands up when Darren Wilson shot him. (16 out of 29 such statements)
    Only five witness statements said that Brown reached toward his waist during the confrontation leading up to Wilson shooting him to death.
    More than half of the witness statements said that Brown was running away from Wilson when the police officer opened fire on the 18-year-old, while fewer than one-fifth of such statements indicated that was not the case.
    There was an even split among witness statements that said whether or not Wilson fired upon Brown when the 18-year-old had already collapsed onto the ground.
    Only six witness statements said that Brown was kneeling when Wilson opened fire on him. More than half of the witness statements did not mention whether or not Brown was kneeling.
    still does not appear that the witness testimony was such that it could be concluded wilson did nothing illegal, thereby necessitating a trial to ferret out the truth
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    Re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

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    The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest - The Daily Fix - WSJ

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    Professional sports are rarely a province for civil unrest. Take it from a young Michael Jordan, upon being asked to donate to a political campaign, apocryphally responding with “Republicans buy sneakers, too.” But there’s certainly opportunity to players to speak out, and on Sunday, several players for the St. Louis Rams made their voices heard.

    As they came out of the tunnel during introductions before their game against the Oakland Raiders, Tavon Austin, Jared Cook, Chris Givens, Stedman Bailey, and Kenny Britt raised their hands in reference to the “Hands Up, Don’t Shoot” protest—a sign that became ubiquitous during the recent protests in Ferguson, Mo., over the shooting death of black teenager Michael Brown by white police officer Darren Wilson. Following the subsequent investigation, a grand jury decided not to indict Wilson. Protesters across the country have voiced their displeasure with the decision—a number of them were stationed outside the Edward James Dome, where the Rams play. The gesture didn’t go unnoticed, even as the players, all of whom are black, tried to be diplomatic. Britt was quoted as saying, “Taking sides? We wanted to show that we were there for a cause that something positive comes out of it.”

    As far as dialogue between opposing sides, much of which has exposed fractious fault lines within attitudes toward race and state, this passes for downright tranquil. And yet, the players were immediately criticized by the St. Louis Police Officers Association, which released a fiery statement criticizing the players and demanding an appropriate response—reprimand from the team, or the league


    I don't blame the St. Louis PD. WTF? It was proven that Brown was not shot with his hands up in surrender contrary to what his little sidekick in the convenience store robbery claimed - and which people have clung on to as if it were true.

    I'll bet these guys would call the St. Louis PD in a second if there big fancy houses were being robbed.

    The PD's statement is here, and it is indeed "fiery"

    SLPOA condemns Rams display

    Protest is great. Support your cause. I'd love to see the Rams support some causes that are important to me and lots of others too, like animal abuse and elder abuse. But if they did do it where the protest could be seen, I would hope they would be honest about what happened and not feed into the rhetoric and propaganda as they did on Sunday.
    I can't imagine football players being smart anyways. It probably went something like this-

    Race baiter: do you want to make money walking out into the field with your hands up for shiny money?

    Football player A: "Me want to stand with hands in air for shiny ugga ugga"
    Football player B" "Yeah me want to do that too ugga ugga"
    Football player C" "Oooh shiiny ugga ugga"
    Football player D: " yeah shiney ugga ugga"
    Football player E: "yeah me like shiney thing too ugga ugga"
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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