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    Re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    As was already stated, the act of mimicking the "hands up don't shoot" was and is based on a lie. That didn't happen. If the RAMS players want to mimick a lie they are free to do so - they have free speech to make themselves look silly all they want. The NFL and the RAMS organization have come out saying they will not impede nor punish the players for doing so and that's fine by me.
    It's symbolism. Surely you can understand that.

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    Re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    It's symbolism. Surely you can understand that.
    Symbolism based on a lie. Yes I understand that perfectly.
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    Re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Maybe all this stuff has become too common place or I have just become harden to it. It just doesn't bother me.
    The reason that it's a big thing is that it was done at a time when there were rioting going on. By doing that, you are excusing the actions of those rioters and looters, especially considering they live there. Outside of that area, the hands up don't shoot, while a complete farce at this point, can be more of a symbol. But for that area, no way.

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    Re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    You have got to be kidding me. You can't even prove that "hands up" is a lie, let alone extrapolate from that to say that all who protest are liars. And libertarians are not immune to lying. I'm not sure you live in the same reality I do.
    I read the Grand Jury testimonies. Did you? It was proven that he didn't have his hands up in surrender, just as it was proven he was not shot in the back. You can believe the "witnesses" who said both were true - they admitted in the end, under oath, that they were lying.

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    Re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    The reason that it's a big thing is that it was done at a time when there were rioting going on. By doing that, you are excusing the actions of those rioters and looters, especially considering they live there. Outside of that area, the hands up don't shoot, while a complete farce at this point, can be more of a symbol. But for that area, no way.
    The looters and rioters are burning down and destroying their own homes and businesses. That always seems to happen when ever some blacks gets mad at the establishment. Anyone dropping in from Mars would think they were mad at themselves as they are destroying themselves.

    No, I am not condoning a thing. It has just become so old hat, it is what is expected.
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    Re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    The looters and rioters are burning down and destroying their own homes and businesses. That always seems to happen when ever some blacks gets mad at the establishment. Anyone dropping in from Mars would think they were mad at themselves as they are destroying themselves.

    No, I am not condoning a thing. It has just become so old hat, it is what is expected.
    I take objection that this always seems to happened. Nothing that MLK was involved in (marches and such) led to rioting and looting.

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    Re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I read the Grand Jury testimonies. Did you? It was proven that he didn't have his hands up in surrender, just as it was proven he was not shot in the back. You can believe the "witnesses" who said both were true - they admitted in the end, under oath, that they were lying.

    Are your posts intentionally absurd?
    no, it was NOT proven that brown did not have his hands in a surrender position
    there was no trial to make such a determination
    stay tuned to the civil trial and then we will find out whether his hands were actually in that submissive position
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    Re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    no, it was NOT proven that brown did not have his hands in a surrender position
    there was no trial to make such a determination
    stay tuned to the civil trial and then we will find out whether his hands were actually in that submissive position
    The Grand Jury testimony.
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    Re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    I take objection that this always seems to happened. Nothing that MLK was involved in (marches and such) led to rioting and looting.
    Post Civil Rights Era: 1978 to today[edit]
    1978: Houston's Moody Park on the first anniversary of Joe Campos Torres death.
    1980: Miami Riots (Miami, Florida)
    1980: Chattanooga Riot (Chattanooga, Tennessee)
    1984: Lawrence, Massachusetts Race Riot: A small scale riot centered at the intersection of Haverhill and railroad streets between working class whites and Hispanics; several buildings were destroyed by Molotov cocktails; August 8, 1984.[46]
    1989: Overtown Riot (Miami, FL) In a reaction to the shooting of a black motorcyclist by a Hispanic police officer in the predominately black community of Overtown in Miami, residents rioted for two nights. The officer was later found guilty of manslaughter.
    1991: Crown Heights riot (Crown Heights neighborhood, Brooklyn, New York City)
    1992: Los Angeles Riots (Los Angeles, California): In a reaction to the acquittal of all four LAPD officers involved in the videotaped beating of Rodney King and the murder of Latasha Harlins; riots broke out mainly involving black youths in the black neighborhoods and shop owners in Korean neighborhoods, but overall rioting was mainly to get out the frustrations of the racial groups over the racial tensions that were building in the South Central neighborhood for years[citation needed].
    1996: St. Petersburg Riots (St. Petersburg, Florida): After Officer Jim Knight stopped 18 yr. old Tyron Lewis for speeding, his car lurched forward and Knight fired his weapon, fatally wounding the black teenager. Riots broke out and lasted for about 2 days.[citation needed]
    2001: Cincinnati riots (Cincinnati, Ohio): In a reaction to the fatal shooting of an unarmed young black male, Timothy Thomas by Cincinnati police officer Steven Roach, during a foot pursuit, riots broke out over the span of a few days.
    2003: Benton Harbor riots (Benton Harbor, Michigan)
    2005: 2005 Toledo Riot (Toledo, Ohio): A race riot that broke out after a planned Neo-Nazi protest march through a black neighborhood.
    2006: Fontana High School riot (Fontana, California): Riot involving about 500 Latino and black students[47]
    2006: Prison Race Riots (California): A war between Latino and black prison gangs set off a series of riots across California[48][49]
    2008: Locke High School riot[50] (Los Angeles, California)
    2009: 2009 Oakland Riots (Oakland, California): Peaceful protests turned into rioting after the fatal shooting of an unarmed black man, Oscar Grant, by a BART transit policeman.
    2014: Shooting of Michael Brown, later riots break out after the shooting was believed to be racially motivated.
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    Re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Post Civil Rights Era: 1978 to today[edit]
    1978: Houston's Moody Park on the first anniversary of Joe Campos Torres death.
    1980: Miami Riots (Miami, Florida)
    1980: Chattanooga Riot (Chattanooga, Tennessee)
    1984: Lawrence, Massachusetts Race Riot: A small scale riot centered at the intersection of Haverhill and railroad streets between working class whites and Hispanics; several buildings were destroyed by Molotov cocktails; August 8, 1984.[46]
    1989: Overtown Riot (Miami, FL) In a reaction to the shooting of a black motorcyclist by a Hispanic police officer in the predominately black community of Overtown in Miami, residents rioted for two nights. The officer was later found guilty of manslaughter.
    1991: Crown Heights riot (Crown Heights neighborhood, Brooklyn, New York City)
    1992: Los Angeles Riots (Los Angeles, California): In a reaction to the acquittal of all four LAPD officers involved in the videotaped beating of Rodney King and the murder of Latasha Harlins; riots broke out mainly involving black youths in the black neighborhoods and shop owners in Korean neighborhoods, but overall rioting was mainly to get out the frustrations of the racial groups over the racial tensions that were building in the South Central neighborhood for years[citation needed].
    1996: St. Petersburg Riots (St. Petersburg, Florida): After Officer Jim Knight stopped 18 yr. old Tyron Lewis for speeding, his car lurched forward and Knight fired his weapon, fatally wounding the black teenager. Riots broke out and lasted for about 2 days.[citation needed]
    2001: Cincinnati riots (Cincinnati, Ohio): In a reaction to the fatal shooting of an unarmed young black male, Timothy Thomas by Cincinnati police officer Steven Roach, during a foot pursuit, riots broke out over the span of a few days.
    2003: Benton Harbor riots (Benton Harbor, Michigan)
    2005: 2005 Toledo Riot (Toledo, Ohio): A race riot that broke out after a planned Neo-Nazi protest march through a black neighborhood.
    2006: Fontana High School riot (Fontana, California): Riot involving about 500 Latino and black students[47]
    2006: Prison Race Riots (California): A war between Latino and black prison gangs set off a series of riots across California[48][49]
    2008: Locke High School riot[50] (Los Angeles, California)
    2009: 2009 Oakland Riots (Oakland, California): Peaceful protests turned into rioting after the fatal shooting of an unarmed black man, Oscar Grant, by a BART transit policeman.
    2014: Shooting of Michael Brown, later riots break out after the shooting was believed to be racially motivated.
    Martin Luther King died in 1968, this list is pointless. It's almost sad that you wasted so much time and effort on a something that had nothing to do with my point.

    Edit: I'm even more insulted that someone liked that list. Shows they have no clue what we're talking about either.

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