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    Re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    You weren't there, therefore you don't know what happened.

    The answers to your questions are all "I don't know, and neither do you." I guess they're only "facts" when they support what you want to hear. You say you're relying on facts and not lies that support your own bias, but you weren't there, you don't know what happened and you choose to believe these "facts" because they support your bias.
    You weren't there when Jews were being exterminated at Auschwitz, so does that mean it didn't happen? You weren't at Fort Hood the day some idiot went on a shooting rampage; does that mean someone else may have done it? You weren't at the Bundy Ranch when people were there protesting; does that mean all the accounts the media presented didn't happen?
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    Re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    Libertarians can and do lie, but that's irrelevant to this. What happened in Ferguson is still a matter of dispute; there are still conflicting witness testimonies; but that, too, is irrelevant. The "hands up" gesture is a broader political statement protesting the treatment of citizens by police, the abuse of authority, and the double-standard of justice. Ferguson's unrest is a symptom of a much larger social ailment, and that is what these protests are really about.
    They want a new reality where a mom doesn't have to worry about her child getting killed while attacking a police officer.
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    Re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    You weren't there when Jews were being exterminated at Auschwitz, so does that mean it didn't happen? You weren't at Fort Hood the day some idiot went on a shooting rampage; does that mean someone else may have done it? You weren't at the Bundy Ranch when people were there protesting; does that mean all the accounts the media presented didn't happen?
    Nobody's saying Michael Brown didn't die. But we don't know all the particulars like what led to the shooting, just like we don't know the circumstances of every death at Auschwitz. We know that a bunch of people showed up at Bundy's ranch, but we don't know why they all were there. A few of those people were a couple of bullets short of a full clip, so who knows with them.

    What we have is one person's story and nothing to contradict it. So while not prosecuting him was probably the best decision, different people always have different sides of the story.


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    Re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    They want a new reality where a mom doesn't have to worry about her child getting killed while attacking a police officer.
    That's just as silly as someone saying that you want a new reality show where cops hunt black teenagers for sport.


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    Re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    Are they really? Why then do they not say that but instead disrupt vandalize and cry about the lack of an indictment? Does anyone anywhere really believe that as a result of these "protests" somehow the GJ will change its mind and indict officer Willson?
    When did the Rams receivers disrupt, vandalize and cry? Surely you're not equating this peaceful protest with the riots in Missouri? And no, I don't think this about reopening the case in Mo., though surely many would welcome that. This is about the larger issue of racial profiling and distrust between the community and the police force.

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    Re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Wut? Who said anything about libertarians lying? That isn't what I asked you to show.

    Show me where it's part of the libertarian platform to condone lies.

    "Hands up" is a gesture related to Michael Brown, who didn't have his hands up. You and I both know that.
    You have got to be kidding me. You can't even prove that "hands up" is a lie, let alone extrapolate from that to say that all who protest are liars. And libertarians are not immune to lying. I'm not sure you live in the same reality I do.

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    Re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    When did the Rams receivers disrupt, vandalize and cry? Surely you're not equating this peaceful protest with the riots in Missouri? And no, I don't think this about reopening the case in Mo., though surely many would welcome that. This is about the larger issue of racial profiling and distrust between the community and the police force.
    I don't know about vandalize, but the entire Rams team raped the Raiders....


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    Re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    They want a new reality where a mom doesn't have to worry about her child getting killed while attacking a police officer.
    No. They want fair treatment by the police. This isn't about a pass for criminals. This is about not gunning down people in the street. Ferguson, in my opinion, is one of the leas egregious examples of reckless policing. We've had two such shooting in Ohio involving legal airsoft guns. This has to stop.

    This is what people are protesting.


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    Re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    You have got to be kidding me. You can't even prove that "hands up" is a lie, let alone extrapolate from that to say that all who protest are liars. And libertarians are not immune to lying. I'm not sure you live in the same reality I do.

    As was already stated, the act of mimicking the "hands up don't shoot" was and is based on a lie. That didn't happen. If the RAMS players want to mimick a lie they are free to do so - they have free speech to make themselves look silly all they want. The NFL and the RAMS organization have come out saying they will not impede nor punish the players for doing so and that's fine by me.
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    Re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I don't know about vandalize, but the entire Rams team raped the Raiders....
    It was a brutal beating -- hard to feel bad for the Raiders though

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