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    Re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    That is fine.

    However as a fan of the NFL I have the right to voice an opinion that is was inappropriate. Free speech you know
    You can voice anything you want, but you have no position to inflict punishment.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeTrumps View Post
    If the players didn't do anything wrong then why did they just apologize to the Missouri Police---

    Rams apologize to police for players who made the 'hands up' gesture - SBNation.com

    thread over.
    Same reason most celebrities "apologize", it's just better PR.
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    Re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    And you know, if the rate of innocent black kids being shot down in the streets by racists black cops was really as high as they bloviate about, then you think they could of picked a better martyr than robber and cop beater.
    You have to seize on those incidents when you get the chance. Mind you...they wont say dammit about the black kids gunned down by black kids. Cuz...

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    Re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You can voice anything you want, but you have no position to inflict punishment.
    Never said I did.

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    Re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The physical evidence and witness testimony has proven that Brown wasn't surrendering. Saying so is a lie and I won't make excuses for, nor passively condone these dudes for keeping the lie alive. That lie is responsible for some very destructive riots and, in the futire, will cost lives.
    Maybe all this stuff has become too common place or I have just become harden to it. It just doesn't bother me.
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    Re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    That is the saddest and laziest answer I've ever heard on this forum. No one is saying we should throw people in jail for lying (although, there were quite a few who perjured themselves in front of the grand jury who could certainly go to jail). The question is if it is right, and that it's clearly not. In fact, many of those people with "different stories" we know now from the scientific evidence to be liars. And ultimately, you have to rely on the scientific evidence for a better telling of what the story is. And what was really smart about the prosecutor was to not release that, so he could separate those who were obviously not being truthful, to those who were trying to recall to the best of their abilities.
    Perhaps, but what the St. Louis players did was no big thing in my book.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    The libertarian position is thus: The players and officers are all free to use their positions to make political statements. The league and teams are free to sanction them for that speech, should they so choose. The state, however, is restrained from taking action against any citizen for political speech thanks to the First Amendment. Thus, if a white player makes a pro KKK statement in public, he's free to do so, but he'll probably lose his job and become a public villain. I'm cool with that.

    The reason their status as "exceptional" matters is because they're difficult to replace, making sanctioning that speech much more painful for the employer.

    I see the Rams receivers making their "hands up" gesture and the officers issuing a statement as both being ethical uses of speech, but that doesn't mean there's no risk.
    I have never seen the "libertarian position" of "It's okay to perpetuate a lie". Never. Show me where libertarians support lies.

    The officers issued a statement because the players lied. Their gesture implied - incorrectly - that the SLPD goes around shooting black men who have their hands up in surrender. The SLPD wasn't making a political statement - they were defending themselves against lies. You can't understand that.
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    Re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I'm saying that people make political statements all the time.
    I think you would agree there's a major difference between carrying a flag and what the players did, wouldn't you?

    The difference here is that many conservatives disagree with the statement made by Rams players.
    I think the problem they have is the fact the evidence has all but shown Brown wasn't shot in the back and his hands weren't up. The problem they have is that symbol has become associated with a protest which has devolved into rioting and looting and destruction. And I think they have a problem with the fact the police worked their ass off to make sure that Rams game was safe and able to be played, not just this week but every week, and the players making that symbol was completely disrespectful.

    I mean, I can't speak for them but that's the problem I have with it. Like others have said, those players are more than welcome to head down to Ferguson and protest on their own time if they want. It's something completely different to engage in an obviously contentious situation on company time against those who help make it possible for them to play.

    Which doesn't make them wrong for making it.
    No, it just means they are perpetuating a lie against those who help make it possible for them to earn their big money.

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    Re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    No, its just shows their bias.
    I don't think there's any reasonable expectation for 5 people to be unbiased.


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    Re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You have to seize on those incidents when you get the chance. Mind you...they wont say dammit about the black kids gunned down by black kids. Cuz...
    Cuz those other black kids aren't cops. Amazing how this simple difference eludes you.


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