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    re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

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    As a statement regarding the treatment of blacks in the justice system, from police to attorneys to juries to judges, it's true and noteworthy. Sure, all evidence points to it being BS in the case of Brown, but that does not invalidate the general political statement.


    Sure it does when you hitch your complaints and claims of systemic abuse to a dead thug who attacked a cop and the lying witnesses they CHOSE to believe over the evidence. It makes such claims seem, less real.
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    re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

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    Sure it does when you hitch your complaints and claims of systemic abuse to a dead thug who attacked a cop and the lying witnesses they CHOSE to believe over the evidence. It makes such claims seem, less real.
    Do you deny racism exists in the justice system?

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    re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest - The Daily Fix - WSJ

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    Professional sports are rarely a province for civil unrest. Take it from a young Michael Jordan, upon being asked to donate to a political campaign, apocryphally responding with “Republicans buy sneakers, too.” But there’s certainly opportunity to players to speak out, and on Sunday, several players for the St. Louis Rams made their voices heard.

    As they came out of the tunnel during introductions before their game against the Oakland Raiders, Tavon Austin, Jared Cook, Chris Givens, Stedman Bailey, and Kenny Britt raised their hands in reference to the “Hands Up, Don’t Shoot” protest—a sign that became ubiquitous during the recent protests in Ferguson, Mo., over the shooting death of black teenager Michael Brown by white police officer Darren Wilson. Following the subsequent investigation, a grand jury decided not to indict Wilson. Protesters across the country have voiced their displeasure with the decision—a number of them were stationed outside the Edward James Dome, where the Rams play. The gesture didn’t go unnoticed, even as the players, all of whom are black, tried to be diplomatic. Britt was quoted as saying, “Taking sides? We wanted to show that we were there for a cause that something positive comes out of it.”

    As far as dialogue between opposing sides, much of which has exposed fractious fault lines within attitudes toward race and state, this passes for downright tranquil. And yet, the players were immediately criticized by the St. Louis Police Officers Association, which released a fiery statement criticizing the players and demanding an appropriate response—reprimand from the team, or the league


    I don't blame the St. Louis PD. WTF? It was proven that Brown was not shot with his hands up in surrender contrary to what his little sidekick in the convenience store robbery claimed - and which people have clung on to as if it were true.

    I'll bet these guys would call the St. Louis PD in a second if there big fancy houses were being robbed.

    The PD's statement is here, and it is indeed "fiery"

    SLPOA condemns Rams display

    Protest is great. Support your cause. I'd love to see the Rams support some causes that are important to me and lots of others too, like animal abuse and elder abuse. But if they did do it where the protest could be seen, I would hope they would be honest about what happened and not feed into the rhetoric and propaganda as they did on Sunday.
    I agree TB. Perhaps there are times when influential people need to be seen in the light of their true ignorance.

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    re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    The Michael Brown shooting and the response to it was political?
    The response certainly is political.


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    re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest - The Daily Fix - WSJ

    <snip>

    Professional sports are rarely a province for civil unrest. Take it from a young Michael Jordan, upon being asked to donate to a political campaign, apocryphally responding with “Republicans buy sneakers, too.” But there’s certainly opportunity to players to speak out, and on Sunday, several players for the St. Louis Rams made their voices heard.

    As they came out of the tunnel during introductions before their game against the Oakland Raiders, Tavon Austin, Jared Cook, Chris Givens, Stedman Bailey, and Kenny Britt raised their hands in reference to the “Hands Up, Don’t Shoot” protest—a sign that became ubiquitous during the recent protests in Ferguson, Mo., over the shooting death of black teenager Michael Brown by white police officer Darren Wilson. Following the subsequent investigation, a grand jury decided not to indict Wilson. Protesters across the country have voiced their displeasure with the decision—a number of them were stationed outside the Edward James Dome, where the Rams play. The gesture didn’t go unnoticed, even as the players, all of whom are black, tried to be diplomatic. Britt was quoted as saying, “Taking sides? We wanted to show that we were there for a cause that something positive comes out of it.”

    As far as dialogue between opposing sides, much of which has exposed fractious fault lines within attitudes toward race and state, this passes for downright tranquil. And yet, the players were immediately criticized by the St. Louis Police Officers Association, which released a fiery statement criticizing the players and demanding an appropriate response—reprimand from the team, or the league


    I don't blame the St. Louis PD. WTF? It was proven that Brown was not shot with his hands up in surrender contrary to what his little sidekick in the convenience store robbery claimed - and which people have clung on to as if it were true.

    I'll bet these guys would call the St. Louis PD in a second if there big fancy houses were being robbed.

    The PD's statement is here, and it is indeed "fiery"

    SLPOA condemns Rams display

    Protest is great. Support your cause. I'd love to see the Rams support some causes that are important to me and lots of others too, like animal abuse and elder abuse. But if they did do it where the protest could be seen, I would hope they would be honest about what happened and not feed into the rhetoric and propaganda as they did on Sunday.
    Brown's friend that lied and started this whole crap about "hands up, don't shoot" should be arrested for perjury, and MB's stepdad should be arrested for inciting a riot.
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    re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Do you deny racism exists in the justice system?

    Racism exists everywhere and it's not restricted to white on black.



    Do you think that since blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery, nearly three times more likely than non-Blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife, that perhaps this problem isn't as simple as blaming "Racism" in the justice system?

    Do you think any of the culpability falls anywhere outside of the justice system here? Any at all?

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    re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    In you opinion would it be proper for you or your coworkers to do something similar at your work on company time?

    If the same NFL players joined in on a protest on their own time, that is their business. Knowing they are on TV , its a bit political on their part
    So what would be appropriate protest for these players? Showing up at 5 AM in a roped off one block area in a desolate area where they are not seen or will not ruffle anyones feathers or sensibilities?
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    re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    In you opinion would it be proper for you or your coworkers to do something similar at your work on company time?
    Depends on what the statement is and how it's made. Johnny Cash wore black as a political statement ("I wear it for the poor and beaten down..."). He had a TV show in which he wore black, and continued to make most if not all public appearances in black for the last 30 years of his life. If I chose to wear all black to work (which I have done), and it was within the dress code...why would that be a problem?


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    re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So what would be appropriate protest for these players? Showing up at 5 AM in a roped off one block area in a desolate area where they are not seen or will not ruffle anyones feathers or sensibilities?
    whatever they want on their own time.

    Noted. you did not address the question I asked.

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    re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    The response certainly is political.
    And the political response says what?

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