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    re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    Well the patrolman's association issued a political statement chastising the Rams, as posted in the OP. Not sure if the officers were wearing their uniforms at the time, but they certainly intended for the weight of their office to to add weight to the statement, which is why they issued it as a collective group (the union, in this case) and not as individuals on their own time. Do you also condemn the police officers for using their employers' uniforms to further their own political point of view?


    So, it's ok for the rams to make a political statement, but not ok for another organization to come out with thier own political statement condemning it?
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    re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    Well the patrolman's association issued a political statement chastising the Rams, as posted in the OP. Not sure if the officers were wearing their uniforms at the time, but they certainly intended for the weight of their office to to add weight to the statement, which is why they issued it as a collective group (the union, in this case) and not as individuals on their own time. Do you also condemn the police officers for using their employers' uniforms to further their own political point of view?
    But the P.O's association didn't run onto the field. They made a supportive statement about their officer's in the propper place for such a statement.

    Had the players lined up in a press conference to raise up their hands, they would receive at least my support. People and businesses pay a lot of money to see anad sponsor a professional sporting event in a politically neutral setting, and it's politically neutral for a reason.
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    re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    "Blah blah blah I hate how they express their opinion". Got it. As I already said, up to the Rams and NFL; no one else.
    No you don't got it. Nor apparently do you understand freedom of speech.

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    re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    you would first have to demonstrate that there is such a league or team prohibition and it was adopted with the agreement of the players association giving up any claimed right.
    On the contrary - not being allowed to engage in political speech as a condition of employment is a decision of the employer, not the employee. It is thus not a right of the employee, otherwise employers would be unable to make those decisions.

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    re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No you don't got it. Nor apparently do you understand freedom of speech.
    Oh I don't? Well please good sir, enlighten me. For I took freedom of speech to mean that a man can express his opinions, particularly where it applies to government, freely and without government intervention. Now I already said its up to the Rams and NFL, but it seems perhaps you think the restrictions should extend past that. So why dont you enlighten us all here, why don't you state explicitly what other restrictions are upon Free Speech. You know, so that I can understand what freedom really means.

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    re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No you don't got it. Nor apparently do you understand freedom of speech.
    I don't see freedom of speech as the issue at all. Are the players right to hit a fan; ala Mike Curtis, who runs out onto the field? It is freedom of expression - yes? Are the networks wrong to not show such an American exercising is freedom of expression?



    It's a have some class issue.
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    re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest - The Daily Fix - WSJ

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    Professional sports are rarely a province for civil unrest. Take it from a young Michael Jordan, upon being asked to donate to a political campaign, apocryphally responding with “Republicans buy sneakers, too.” But there’s certainly opportunity to players to speak out, and on Sunday, several players for the St. Louis Rams made their voices heard.

    As they came out of the tunnel during introductions before their game against the Oakland Raiders, Tavon Austin, Jared Cook, Chris Givens, Stedman Bailey, and Kenny Britt raised their hands in reference to the “Hands Up, Don’t Shoot” protest—a sign that became ubiquitous during the recent protests in Ferguson, Mo., over the shooting death of black teenager Michael Brown by white police officer Darren Wilson. Following the subsequent investigation, a grand jury decided not to indict Wilson. Protesters across the country have voiced their displeasure with the decision—a number of them were stationed outside the Edward James Dome, where the Rams play. The gesture didn’t go unnoticed, even as the players, all of whom are black, tried to be diplomatic. Britt was quoted as saying, “Taking sides? We wanted to show that we were there for a cause that something positive comes out of it.”

    As far as dialogue between opposing sides, much of which has exposed fractious fault lines within attitudes toward race and state, this passes for downright tranquil. And yet, the players were immediately criticized by the St. Louis Police Officers Association, which released a fiery statement criticizing the players and demanding an appropriate response—reprimand from the team, or the league


    I don't blame the St. Louis PD. WTF? It was proven that Brown was not shot with his hands up in surrender contrary to what his little sidekick in the convenience store robbery claimed - and which people have clung on to as if it were true.

    I'll bet these guys would call the St. Louis PD in a second if there big fancy houses were being robbed.

    The PD's statement is here, and it is indeed "fiery"

    SLPOA condemns Rams display

    Protest is great. Support your cause. I'd love to see the Rams support some causes that are important to me and lots of others too, like animal abuse and elder abuse. But if they did do it where the protest could be seen, I would hope they would be honest about what happened and not feed into the rhetoric and propaganda as they did on Sunday.
    They shouldn't be punished for exercising their first amendment rights. As for the St. Louis Police, they get away with so much crap, that I don't care if the PD is angry. It's about time they get ****ed instead of them ****ing someone else.
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    re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Oh I don't? Well please good sir, enlighten me. For I took freedom of speech to mean that a man can express his opinions, particularly where it applies to government, freely and without government intervention. Now I already said its up to the Rams and NFL, but it seems perhaps you think the restrictions should extend past that. So why dont you enlighten us all here, why don't you state explicitly what other restrictions are upon Free Speech. You know, so that I can understand what freedom really means.

    I'll wait.
    Sure, but you are truly unaware of what other restrictions upon free speech are mandated? Take a look at censorship law as it regards broadcast. I won't wait for you to get the point, could be ages.

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    re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by sookster View Post
    They shouldn't be punished for exercising their first amendment rights. As for the St. Louis Police, they get away with so much crap, that I don't care if the PD is angry. It's about time they get ****ed instead of them ****ing someone else.
    So you'd be fine if next week some white players come out with signs that say "The ni&&er got what we he deserved".
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    re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Well I see your point. At the same token, IF this is allowed, then yes they should allow that to be consistent. You can't allow one party to express their views and not the other. But now that I think about it, it would be really dumb for white football players to say that considering who they are playing with.
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