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    re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Then bitch to the NFL about it, I'm sure they care.
    Your inability to separate politics from sports is your problem - not mine. If it's the NFL's problem too, their days as a successful enterprise are numbered.

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    re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Your inability to separate politics from sports is your problem - not mine. If it's the NFL's problem too, their days as a successful enterprise are numbered.
    Right.

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    re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Nice.

    Example of whose freedom I personally agree with who was protesting incorrectly on national television while in their employer's uniform? I'll wait.
    Well the patrolman's association issued a political statement chastising the Rams, as posted in the OP. Not sure if the officers were wearing their uniforms at the time, but they certainly intended for the weight of their office to to add weight to the statement, which is why they issued it as a collective group (the union, in this case) and not as individuals on their own time. Do you also condemn the police officers for using their employers' uniforms to further their own political point of view?

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    re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest - The Daily Fix - WSJ

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    Professional sports are rarely a province for civil unrest. Take it from a young Michael Jordan, upon being asked to donate to a political campaign, apocryphally responding with “Republicans buy sneakers, too.” But there’s certainly opportunity to players to speak out, and on Sunday, several players for the St. Louis Rams made their voices heard.

    As they came out of the tunnel during introductions before their game against the Oakland Raiders, Tavon Austin, Jared Cook, Chris Givens, Stedman Bailey, and Kenny Britt raised their hands in reference to the “Hands Up, Don’t Shoot” protest—a sign that became ubiquitous during the recent protests in Ferguson, Mo., over the shooting death of black teenager Michael Brown by white police officer Darren Wilson. Following the subsequent investigation, a grand jury decided not to indict Wilson. Protesters across the country have voiced their displeasure with the decision—a number of them were stationed outside the Edward James Dome, where the Rams play. The gesture didn’t go unnoticed, even as the players, all of whom are black, tried to be diplomatic. Britt was quoted as saying, “Taking sides? We wanted to show that we were there for a cause that something positive comes out of it.”

    As far as dialogue between opposing sides, much of which has exposed fractious fault lines within attitudes toward race and state, this passes for downright tranquil. And yet, the players were immediately criticized by the St. Louis Police Officers Association, which released a fiery statement criticizing the players and demanding an appropriate response—reprimand from the team, or the league


    I don't blame the St. Louis PD. WTF? It was proven that Brown was not shot with his hands up in surrender contrary to what his little sidekick in the convenience store robbery claimed - and which people have clung on to as if it were true.

    I'll bet these guys would call the St. Louis PD in a second if there big fancy houses were being robbed.

    The PD's statement is here, and it is indeed "fiery"

    SLPOA condemns Rams display

    Protest is great. Support your cause. I'd love to see the Rams support some causes that are important to me and lots of others too, like animal abuse and elder abuse. But if they did do it where the protest could be seen, I would hope they would be honest about what happened and not feed into the rhetoric and propaganda as they did on Sunday.
    Damn that freedom of speech
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    Well the patrolman's association issued a political statement chastising the Rams, as posted in the OP. Not sure if the officers were wearing their uniforms at the time, but they certainly intended for the weight of their office to to add weight to the statement, which is why they issued it as a collective group (the union, in this case) and not as individuals on their own time. Do you also condemn the police officers for using their employers' uniforms to further their own political point of view?
    Huh? .
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    re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    In you opinion would it be proper for you or your coworkers to do something similar at your work on company time?

    If the same NFL players joined in on a protest on their own time, that is their business. Knowing they are on TV , its a bit political on their part
    What the fudge isnt hyper political these days? In the Rams or NFL want to do something, that's their business. But it ain't yours.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Damn that freedom of speech
    What the heck does this have to do with freedom of speech? Freedom of speech has never meant that you are shielded from the consequences of your speech, only that the government couldn't levy those consequences. The NFL is not the government and they regulate the speech of their players, especially on camera.

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    re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    Do you also condemn the police officers for using their employers' uniforms to further their own political point of view?
    if they are doing it WHILE they are doing their jobs then yes, they should be condemned. Have never heard of that happening.
    those same players could show up to an Obama rally wearing their jerseys and I wouldn't have a problem with it. but that's not what happened. they made their "political statement" using airtime the NFL provided. Big difference, wouldn't you agree?

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    re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I agree with that. We don't really know the facts, but there's not enough evidence to prove a case against the officer.

    I still believe in the right of the players to make their statement.
    So do I, free speech above all else, imo.

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    re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    What the heck does this have to do with freedom of speech? Freedom of speech has never meant that you are shielded from the consequences of your speech, only that the government couldn't levy those consequences. The NFL is not the government and they regulate the speech of their players, especially on camera.
    "Blah blah blah I hate how they express their opinion". Got it. As I already said, up to the Rams and NFL; no one else.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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