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    re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Where do you get this idea that when they are working and performing their job function they suddenly give up "their own time". Everybody I am aware of does things on "company time" that are solely their own thing and not a job function. Why should this be any different.



    I see nothing wrong with a rather minor and extremely brief expression of protest that does not interfere with the job one is paid to do.
    They were on nfl team time. It was the intro to the game.

    Wonder if your supervisor or company president would agree with you.

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    re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Given that Ferguson is in the United States, I would posit that the United States was the home of Michael Brown. It is also the home of rocket88, and if I'm not mistaken, the home of tres borrachos.
    So you're saying the players were wrong for having their hands up when they should have been carrying an American flag?

    Sorry, I'm just not sure what relevance any of this has.

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    re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And did they do that in this case?
    I have no idea. Nor do you.

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    re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest - The Daily Fix - WSJ

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    Professional sports are rarely a province for civil unrest. Take it from a young Michael Jordan, upon being asked to donate to a political campaign, apocryphally responding with “Republicans buy sneakers, too.” But there’s certainly opportunity to players to speak out, and on Sunday, several players for the St. Louis Rams made their voices heard.

    As they came out of the tunnel during introductions before their game against the Oakland Raiders, Tavon Austin, Jared Cook, Chris Givens, Stedman Bailey, and Kenny Britt raised their hands in reference to the “Hands Up, Don’t Shoot” protest—a sign that became ubiquitous during the recent protests in Ferguson, Mo., over the shooting death of black teenager Michael Brown by white police officer Darren Wilson. Following the subsequent investigation, a grand jury decided not to indict Wilson. Protesters across the country have voiced their displeasure with the decision—a number of them were stationed outside the Edward James Dome, where the Rams play. The gesture didn’t go unnoticed, even as the players, all of whom are black, tried to be diplomatic. Britt was quoted as saying, “Taking sides? We wanted to show that we were there for a cause that something positive comes out of it.”

    As far as dialogue between opposing sides, much of which has exposed fractious fault lines within attitudes toward race and state, this passes for downright tranquil. And yet, the players were immediately criticized by the St. Louis Police Officers Association, which released a fiery statement criticizing the players and demanding an appropriate response—reprimand from the team, or the league


    I don't blame the St. Louis PD. WTF? It was proven that Brown was not shot with his hands up in surrender contrary to what his little sidekick in the convenience store robbery claimed - and which people have clung on to as if it were true.

    I'll bet these guys would call the St. Louis PD in a second if there big fancy houses were being robbed.

    The PD's statement is here, and it is indeed "fiery"

    SLPOA condemns Rams display

    Protest is great. Support your cause. I'd love to see the Rams support some causes that are important to me and lots of others too, like animal abuse and elder abuse. But if they did do it where the protest could be seen, I would hope they would be honest about what happened and not feed into the rhetoric and propaganda as they did on Sunday.


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    All protests go awry no matter how well intended. There is a need to begin addressing the growing divide and increasing militancy of both sides. However like the Uhuryu, the clenched fist of Africa was a sign of unity became the fearful symbol of the Black Panthers, here too the gesture has become a symbol of division.
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    re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    We also don't live in the United States of Tres Borrachos, which is why nobody carries signs with my name on them at sporting events and I don't recall anyone saluting my image either.
    Which doesn't make it any less your home than it was Michael Brown's. You said
    This isn't the home of Michael Brown.
    It most certainly was.


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    I think it is more an issue of not just the Ferguson issue but the case that unarmed black men are shot by police on more than just this one occasion.

    But I do think that sport matches are not the appropriate venue for such a statement by athletes.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    She only defends the freedom she personally agrees with. Typical right-winger.

    These players did nothing wrong. I wish this coming Sunday every player in the league would follow suit.
    I wish they'd play some football. That's why I bother to watch. I really don't give a rat's ass about the politics of the players because I'm watching them to see them play football. It's fundamentally a simple proposition. Do you tune in to Rachael Ray for political discussion?

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    re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    So you're saying the players were wrong for having their hands up when they should have been carrying an American flag?

    Sorry, I'm just not sure what relevance any of this has.
    I'm saying that people make political statements all the time. The difference here is that many conservatives disagree with the statement made by Rams players. Which doesn't make them wrong for making it.


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    re: The St. Louis Rams’ ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ Protest [W:256]

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    I wish they'd play some football. That's why I bother to watch. I really don't give a rat's ass about the politics of the players because I'm watching them to see them play football. It's fundamentally a simple proposition. Do you tune in to Rachael Ray for political discussion?
    After their brief statement they did play football. Seeing as how the Rams won that game 52-0, it seems that they played football much better than the other team did.

    Rachael Ray should have every freedom to make a political statement if she chooses to.


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