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    Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    Let us assume that GW is real and that man plays a significant role. Why should I care?

    I know that question may seem harsh but I honestly wish to know why I should really be concerned about it. Being on the latter half of my life what changes may happen that will significantly affect me personally?

    If that seems a bit selfish than you would be correct. I have very little sympathy when it comes to humans. We are the most destructive force on the planet that by large could care less what our behavior does to other species or the planet. GW's possible affects personally bothers me more because of what it may mean for other life on the planet that played no part than I am about humans. As far as I am concerned if GW causes mankind great hardship or extinction it would be just what we asked for. We (most) totally disregard other life in our day to day, we do not even consider them we are so self absorbed. Why do we deserve anything better than self annihilation?
    Your fatalist views aside, you should care for the same reason you should care whether a water resource is poisoned. Not only does it affect your generation, it affects the next. I care about what I'll leave for my kids and their kids. The fact that human beings through hunting and fishing with stone age weaponry managed to wipe out entire species and food chains makes our effects on the planet something which should not be disregarded. We've already destroyed entire ecosystems by building cities. Why is it so hard for people to consider that our rapid industrial expansion over the last 100 years could have negative effects on the planet?
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    Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Your fatalist views aside, you should care for the same reason you should care whether a water resource is poisoned. Not only does it affect your generation, it affects the next. I care about what I'll leave for my kids and their kids. The fact that human beings through hunting and fishing with stone age weaponry managed to wipe out entire species and food chains makes our effects on the planet something which should not be disregarded. We've already destroyed entire ecosystems by building cities. Why is it so hard for people to consider that our rapid industrial expansion over the last 100 years could have negative effects on the planet?
    The Democrats. ..." Climate Change is real and Man is causing it "..

    " The worlds going to end but we can fix it ! "

    " Just pay us ....."

    Sorry, the left lost all credibility when they pushed this narrative and the promised they could fix it if only we gave thsm more power and money.

    The NOAA got busted fudging Temperaturerature data and so did the Australian Meteorology Bureau.

    No reasonable person believes the crap they put out anymore concerning climate change.

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    Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    The Democrats. ..." Climate Change is real and Man is causing it "..

    " The worlds going to end but we can fix it ! "

    " Just pay us ....."

    Sorry, the left lost all credibility when they pushed this narrative and the promised they could fix it if only we gave thsm more power and money.

    The NOAA got busted fudging Temperaturerature data and so did the Australian Meteorology Bureau.

    No reasonable person believes the crap they put out anymore concerning climate change.
    Please stop repeating nonsense. Thanks:

    Fox's Doocy: NASA fudged data to make the case for global warming | PunditFact

    Doocy exaggerated the findings in this blog post when he applied it to global warming. The post itself only talks about U.S. land temperatures and what happens in the United States is separate from global shifts.

    As far as what the blog actually claimed, while it accurately copied the changes in the government charts, experts in U.S. temperature measurement say it ignores why the charts shifted. There were major changes in how the country gathered temperature information over the decades.

    Zeke Hausfather is a data scientist with Berkeley Earth, a research group that has expressed doubts about some of the reports on climate change coming from Washington and international bodies. Hausfather took Goddard to task when Goddard made a similar claim about numbers fudging earlier this month. The missing piece in Goddard’s analysis, Hausfather said, was he ignored that the network of weather stations that feed data to the government today is not the one that existed 80 years ago.

    "He is simply averaging absolute temperatures," Hausfather wrote. "Absolute temperatures work fine if and only if the composition of the station network remains unchanged over time."
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    Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

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    Our global warming is now affecting the climate on Uranus.
    Once a calm planet is now having atmospheric storms.
    Before long Earth is going to disrupt the temperatures
    on the Sun.
    All because of AGW here on Earth....WAKE UP, PEOPLE!!!

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    Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

    You didn't even read the link I provided did you? This nonsense has already been addressed.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/25/sc...noaa.html?_r=0

    The report was not a review of the climate data itself. It joins a series of investigations by the British House of Commons, Pennsylvania State University, the InterAcademy Council and the National Research Council into the leaked e-mails that have exonerated the scientists involved of scientific wrongdoing.

    NOAA welcomed the report, saying that it emphasized the soundness of its scientific procedures and the peer review process. “None of the investigations have found any evidence to question the ethics of our scientists or raise doubts about NOAA’s understanding of climate change science,” Mary Glackin, the agency’s deputy undersecretary for operations, said in a statement.
    As far as Goddard's claims, they've already been addressed for being nonsense:

    Did NASA/NOAA Dramatically Alter U.S. Temperatures After 2000? - Hit & Run : Reason.com

    ...while it is true that NOAA does a tremendous amount of adjustment to the surface temperature record, the word “fabrication” implies that numbers are being plucked out of thin air in a nefarious way when it isn’t exactly the case.

    “Goddard” is wrong is his assertions of fabrication, but the fact is that NCDC isn’t paying attention to small details, and the entire process from B91’s to CONUS creates an inflated warming signal. We published a preliminary paper two years ago on this which you can read here: New study shows half of the global warming in the USA is artificial | Watts Up With That?

    About half the warming in the USA is due to adjustments. We' received a lot of criticism for that paper, and we’ve spent two years reworking it and dealing with those criticisms. Our results are unchanged and will be published soon.
    Goddard made two major errors in his analysis, which produced results showing a large bias due to infilling that doesn’t really exist. First, he is simply averaging absolute temperatures rather than using anomalies. Absolute temperatures work fine if and only if the composition of the station network remains unchanged over time. If the composition does change, you will often find that stations dropping out will result in climatological biases in the network due to differences in elevation and average temperatures that don’t necessarily reflect any real information on month-to-month or year-to-year variability. Lucia covered this well a few years back with a toy model, so I’d suggest people who are still confused about the subject to consult her spherical cow.

    His second error is to not use any form of spatial weighting (e.g. gridding) when combining station records. While the USHCN network is fairly well distributed across the U.S., its not perfectly so, and some areas of the country have considerably more stations than others. Not gridding also can exacerbate the effect of station drop-out when the stations that drop out are not randomly distributed.
    Why are you still repeating nonsense? Are you fond of conspiracy theories?
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    Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You didn't even read the link I provided did you? This nonsense has already been addressed.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/25/sc...noaa.html?_r=0



    As far as Goddard's claims, they've already been addressed for being nonsense:

    Did NASA/NOAA Dramatically Alter U.S. Temperatures After 2000? - Hit & Run : Reason.com





    Why are you still repeating nonsense? Are you fond of conspiracy theories?
    Yea I read it and its just revisionistic crap.

    The NOAA got busted and now they have to justify their process of manipulating temperature data to fit their narratives. ......( which has NOTHING to do with science and everything to do with fraud )

    None of what you posted addresses the obvious issue here.

    WHY would the NOAA revise their website and previous claims if there was nothing wrong with their process in the first place ?

    Seems you're far more influenced by conspiracy than I am.

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    Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

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    Yea I read it and its just revisionistic crap.
    Revisionist? They pointed out that the person who 'caught' NOAA's fudging was not only ignorant of how the data was collected but why it was adjusted to begin with. That you're still regurgitating nonsense is your problem.
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    Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    Let us assume that GW is real and that man plays a significant role. Why should I care?

    I know that question may seem harsh but I honestly wish to know why I should really be concerned about it. Being on the latter half of my life what changes may happen that will significantly affect me personally?

    If that seems a bit selfish than you would be correct. I have very little sympathy when it comes to humans. We are the most destructive force on the planet that by large could care less what our behavior does to other species or the planet. GW's possible affects personally bothers me more because of what it may mean for other life on the planet that played no part than I am about humans. As far as I am concerned if GW causes mankind great hardship or extinction it would be just what we asked for. We (most) totally disregard other life in our day to day, we do not even consider them we are so self absorbed. Why do we deserve anything better than self annihilation?
    If you literally don't care whether humanity goes extinct then you have absolutely no reason to be concerned with... well, anything at all.
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    Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Revisionist? They pointed out that the person who 'caught' NOAA's fudging was not only ignorant of how the data was collected but why it was adjusted to begin with. That you're still regurgitating nonsense is your problem.


    One more time.

    Lets see if you can answer my question this time.

    If NOAAs process was legitimate, WHY DID THE NOAA REVISE THEIR ASSERTIONS ?

    Why did they change their minds and their Website ? C'mon, you can do it.

    You don't " adjust " imperical data.

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