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    Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    You do realise that this is a perfect example of the self-centered nature of far too many objections to AGW. "I'm cold, it's snowing! There ain't no global warming!" being said by a person living in a northern portion of the globe during the early days of winter, while people in Australia are sun-bathing on the beaches in 90 degree plus weather. Where you live ain't the "globe" and what you experience ain't an indicator of the entire world's average temperature.
    I know this. You should tell Climate.gov about the warming, because they're busily explaining the pause. You should also understand that the history NOAA uses for temperatures is the very same data base that has been discredited - the East Anglia one. That's the same data base the IPCC employs. A significant portion of that data is simply made up by programmers who were tasked with filling in the blanks in order to make that particular data base even work at all.

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    Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    You do realise that this is a perfect example of the self-centered nature of far too many objections to AGW. "I'm cold, it's snowing! There ain't no global warming!" being said by a person living in a northern portion of the globe during the early days of winter, while people in Australia are sun-bathing on the beaches in 90 degree plus weather. Where you live ain't the "globe" and what you experience ain't an indicator of the entire world's average temperature.
    AGW still can't be proven without manipulation of the data.
    If it was real, the models would support the data.

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    Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Hey, you want to get rid of all the blacktop in the US, I'm all for it. Those urban type folks won't be too pleased, but screw em.
    Truckers might also take issue.

    Ooh, and pilots. I land on grass sometimes but I have a hard time imagining Delta making that work.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

    Quote Originally Posted by Meister View Post
    AGW still can't be proven without manipulation of the data.
    If it was real, the models would support the data.
    Ahh yes, another person who was told that the data got changed, read some article where they put "homogenization" in scare quotes, and you just assumed that the "manipulation" was somehow unwarranted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Ahh yes, another person who was told that the data got changed, read some article where they put "homogenization" in scare quotes, and you just assumed that the "manipulation" was somehow unwarranted.
    And still, they can't get their models to work.

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    Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

    Quote Originally Posted by Meister View Post
    And still, they can't get their models to work.
    You mean the ones that have predicted record warming over the last 30 years?

    They worked just fine. You just lived through the warmest October ever recorded.
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    Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

    Amazing that those who see themselves as the most intelligent are the most gullible. Must be that "everyone is a winner" BS so common in public school systems.

    I have an "environmental" item on every repair order that goes out of my shop and nobody complains about it. Fact is I charge a fee for tire disposal that covers my costs on having them recycled, my waste oil is sold to a company that filters it and sells it for heating oil, My air conditioning equipment recycles the refrigerant I recover out of systems I'm working on. My used antifreeze is recycled, it costs me less than new. The "environmental" fee doesn't go to anything environmental, it covers my credit card processing costs. Because if it said "credit card processing fee" people get upset. It might as well say "for the children".

    So what I would like to know from all of you AGW zealots (because that is what you are, forcing your religion on others) is what are you personally doing to benefit the environment?

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    Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

    Quote Originally Posted by Meister View Post
    And still, they can't get their models to work.
    The sun did something unexpected, so the models would naturally not account for that.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

    Quote Originally Posted by Meister View Post
    AGW still can't be proven without manipulation of the data.
    If it was real, the models would support the data.
    It's worse than just manipulation. It's flat out made up in some instances. I keep posting this because this particular data base is the data base for historic temperature that NOAA and various other agencies, including the IPCC, rely on to produce histories and trend lines. Not one of the AGW crowd here seems to want to address it.

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    Yes, it's old news. However, they still use this data base. They just don't want to admit it because it makes the temperature history extremely doubtful, and that's being generous.

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    Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    NOAA and similar agencies compensate for these effects, which are actually quite small, and track reference weather stations in unpopulated areas. I.e. the increases in recorded temperatures has nothing to do with urban heat islands.

    Ahhh, the infamous Jones study of Chinese station data.... published at Skeptical Science no less... Jones is the star of Climategate, need I say more?

    Jones' co-author of this paper, Wei-Chyung Wang, provided Chinese station data. Jones didn't bother to verify the data and it turns out the stations had moved multiple times negating their usefulness. The paper has been discredited.

    Jones is also the guy that wrote that he "just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years to hide the decline". In other words, he admitted to scientific fraud.

    By the way, that's the "decline" that some of you refuse to admit has occurred.

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