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    Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Record breaking cold temperatures.

    No, no need to explain. What I would like to know is, what's going to be the new name of the hoax? Y'all had to ditch global warming and start using climate change. What's the new name going to be, when climate change is worn out?
    The one I have seen recently (the newest edition of Scientific American) is global weirding,

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    Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

    Quote Originally Posted by Fred View Post
    Minor aside in this slang fest (; most polar bears deaths were/are due to .308 caliber rifle ammunition issued by the Canadian government to aboriginals.

    Almost ten years ago now, ( I think it was ) In the James Bay region alone, there were 105 tags ( permits to shoot ) Polar bears. The treaty natives objected to a proposed reduction in the number of tags issued.

    One of the main voices in the opposition to the tag reduction, was the grandson of the innuit guide aboard RCMP Sergeant Larsens St Roch, a slightly longer than 100 foot wooden vessel that transited the northern northwest passage route in 88 days in 1944. The St Roch is currently in the Vancouver Maritime museum, I read the log books; but as of 2009 they aren’t available on board or on site anymore.

    I think that was near the end of the last warm phase of the pacific decadal oscillation (1944) . The satellite pics recorded a polar ice high stand (late seventies ) , and the subsequent effects of the current warm phase of the pdo. I think it possible the effect of this natural influence is less recognized than it deserves.

    I had to shoot a polar bear once, in 1978, because it wouldn’t let me out of the airplane. They can be pesks, some colonies are growing, some are decreasing.

    The red line marks the 1944 St Roch voyage, I live on the left edge of the chart.

    Interesting. I just read a paper that claims the fluctuating population of polar bears is due to heavy spring ice, not depleted summer ice. It seems that heavy spring ice greatly affects ringed seal populations. Polar bears obtain about 80% of their weight gain following winter by gorging on ring seal pups in March through early May. If the ringed seal pups can't survive due to heavy sea ice, then the polar bear populations are affected.

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    NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Actually, with the exception of late summer, 2014 ice extent in the Arctic was about normal based on the 1979-2008 mean level. Antarctic ice is at an all time high.

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    No. Just no.

    The Arctic ice is DECLINING as based on the average drop in the past. It's just not accelerating as it was before.

    http://psc.apl.uw.edu/research/proje...olume-anomaly/

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    Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Well, for one, those mountains aren't the same place on the globe as they were 30 years ago. The plates are moving and they may be located in a place where 40 feet to the west or south makes a difference. There's probably a whole lot more blacktop in the area than there was 30 years ago, blacktop collects and reflects heat pushing weather higher up the mountain (that's what happens when warm wind strike a mountain range). Could be your memory isn't what it used to be, Have you checked old Almanacs going back thirty years to see what actually happened?
    This "more blacktop" to which you refer...is it naturally occuring, or man-made?


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    Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    No. Just no.

    The Arctic ice is DECLINING as based on the average drop in the past. It's just not accelerating as it was before.

    Polar Science Center » PIOMAS Arctic Sea Ice Volume Reanalysis

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    This is what happens when you compare volume and area. Gill's graph is calculated via satellite images and is accurate. Your's is calculated thickness based on the observed area.

    Its possible, believe it or not, that you are both right.
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    NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    This is what happens when you compare volume and area. Gill's graph is calculated via satellite images and is accurate. Your's is calculated thickness based on the observed area.

    Its possible, believe it or not, that you are both right.
    I used volume because it is a better measure for ice. But area is also quite a bit below the average. It's just barely within 2 sd. That's not 'almost normal'!

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    Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    This "more blacktop" to which you refer...is it naturally occuring, or man-made?
    It's man-made. That's the problem with a lot of the historic weather stations. When they were constructed decades ago, they were in rural settings. Now, buildings, roads, and airport runways have been built up around them so they don't meet minimum standards now.

    It is the same as urban heat islands. More concrete, brick, and blacktop creates more heat. That's why temps inside cities are always significantly hotter than the surrounding countryside. Under some conditions, the temp at my house is 8 degrees cooler than reported in the city 20 miles away. I've even noticed a difference in plant life between rural areas and the city. Spring blooming plants flower a week or two earlier than the same plants in my yard.

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    Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    It's man-made. That's the problem with a lot of the historic weather stations. When they were constructed decades ago, they were in rural settings. Now, buildings, roads, and airport runways have been built up around them so they don't meet minimum standards now.
    NOAA and similar agencies compensate for these effects, which are actually quite small, and track reference weather stations in unpopulated areas. I.e. the increases in recorded temperatures has nothing to do with urban heat islands.


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    Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    NOAA and similar agencies compensate for these effects, which are actually quite small, and track reference weather stations in unpopulated areas. I.e. the increases in recorded temperatures has nothing to do with urban heat islands.

    Looks like you 'destroyed' that myth.
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    Re: NOAA: 2014 is shaping up as hottest year on record

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Since we don't understand the science yet, the responsible thing to do is to attempt to spread fear.
    Yes, that is what the deniers are doing - creating fear in the American populace that government measures are only intended to corral and suppress those who deny the science.
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