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    Re: Ferguson officer who shot Michael Brown resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    The cop took a life, that is somthing that cannot be taken lightly.
    And it wasn't.

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    Re: Ferguson officer who shot Michael Brown resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    The grand jury, which is made up of civilians, not the court system is what determined this.
    Thank you, my mistake.

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    Re: Ferguson officer who shot Michael Brown resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Care to share your credible evidence for the "hands up, don't shoot" side with us?
    First, Wilson's mistakes from the perspective of a cop:

    Not only is [my nephew] a 29 year cop, he is the third highest ranking officer in the county that he works in. I asked him about this. Being the Republican that he is, I expected him to jump to Darin Wilson's defense. He had this to say.

    He would not say it was a racial thing because he doesn't know. He did say he read all of the reports and the grand jury testimony.

    1-He said at very least Wilson is completely incompetent. That you never get out of the car by yourself if you know there is going to be a physical confrontation with an unarmed person. Especially if you were in Wilson's words, "afraid" of the guy.

    2- He said Wilson should have let Brown go, followed him as far as he could in the car as he called for back up. If he had to, arrest him later.

    3-He had no business firing once Brown was down on the ground. He fired four shots too many even if you believe his story.

    4- It is unheard of to leave the guy laying in the street for four and a half hours.

    5- If all of this was in accordance to Wilson's training, an idiot trained him.

    6-Brown's family will get a huge settlement from Ferguson because if this goes to civil trail it will cost them many millions more.

    What my nephew thinks happened is that Wilson got into an argument with the guy, got out of his car to whip his ass. Quickly realized he bit off more than he could chew, so he shot the guy.


    Second, inconsistencies in the testimony:

    In August, Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson first said that Wilson knew Brown was a suspect in the robbery before the shooting. But in later interviews, Jackson appeared to change course, saying that Wilson had stopped Brown only for walking in the middle of the street, without mentioning the convenience-store theft.

    In Wilson’s testimony to the grand jury, he said that his interaction with Brown and Brown’s friend Dorian Johnson, a witness to the shooting, began when he saw them walking in the middle of the street and told them to get on the sidewalk. It was after Brown refused, cursing at him and continuing to walk in the street, that Wilson said he made the connection.

    “When I start looking at Brown, first thing I notice is his right hand, his hand is full of cigarillos. And that’s when it clicked for me because now I saw the cigarillos, I looked in my mirror, I did a double check that Johnson was wearing a black shirt, these are the two from the stealing.”

    At that point, Wilson testified, he called for backup and reversed his own car to cut off Brown and Johnson’s path setting in motion the events the events that led to the shooting.


    Third (from the same reference), the conflict of interest with the county prosecutor:

    Starting in August, in the lead up to the grand jury, there were calls for St. Louis County Prosecutor Robert McCulloch to step aside. Critics alleged that McCulloch’s close relationship with the police department presented a conflict of interest. McCulloch has relatives on the police force, including his father—an officer who was killed in the line of duty when he was shot by a black man.

    So...no, I don't have any sympathy for Wilson. He was stupid - he should have known to call for backup if Brown wouldn't get out of the street. That, and if your gun's in your holster, if a possibly violent suspect is within ten feet of you, you do NOT give him an opportunity to rush you...because he will likely be able to get to you before you can draw your gun. Wilson was in a car and could have simply sped away the moment Brown got too close...but instead was close enough that (according to Wilson's own story) Brown was able to get to his door and/or open window.
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    Re: Ferguson officer who shot Michael Brown resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    imo, the shoplifting has little to nothing to do with the incident. Brown was not shot because he shoplifted cigars.
    It does have to do with Officer Wilson approaching him - meaning it was NOT because of Brown's race.

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    Re: Ferguson officer who shot Michael Brown resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    There is no comparison between the two incidents.

    We have both sides of Rodney King's incident. There were four cops acting as a group.

    We only have one side of this incident. There was one cop by himself.

    The situations are completely different.
    The similarity lay not so much in the incident itself, but in the response of the local government, wherein it became more of a 'win or lose' fight rather than a true determination of 'right or wrong'.
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    Re: Ferguson officer who shot Michael Brown resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    First, Wilson's mistakes from the perspective of a cop:

    Not only is [my nephew] a 29 year cop, he is the third highest ranking officer in the county that he works in. I asked him about this. Being the Republican that he is, I expected him to jump to Darin Wilson's defense. He had this to say.

    He would not say it was a racial thing because he doesn't know. He did say he read all of the reports and the grand jury testimony.

    1-He said at very least Wilson is completely incompetent. That you never get out of the car by yourself if you know there is going to be a physical confrontation with an unarmed person. Especially if you were in Wilson's words, "afraid" of the guy.

    2- He said Wilson should have let Brown go, followed him as far as he could in the car as he called for back up. If he had to, arrest him later.

    3-He had no business firing once Brown was down on the ground. He fired four shots too many even if you believe his story.

    4- It is unheard of to leave the guy laying in the street for four and a half hours.

    5- If all of this was in accordance to Wilson's training, an idiot trained him.

    6-Brown's family will get a huge settlement from Ferguson because if this goes to civil trail it will cost them many millions more.

    What my nephew thinks happened is that Wilson got into an argument with the guy, got out of his car to whip his ass. Quickly realized he bit off more than he could chew, so he shot the guy.


    Second, inconsistencies in the testimony:

    In August, Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson first said that Wilson knew Brown was a suspect in the robbery before the shooting. But in later interviews, Jackson appeared to change course, saying that Wilson had stopped Brown only for walking in the middle of the street, without mentioning the convenience-store theft.

    In Wilson’s testimony to the grand jury, he said that his interaction with Brown and Brown’s friend Dorian Johnson, a witness to the shooting, began when he saw them walking in the middle of the street and told them to get on the sidewalk. It was after Brown refused, cursing at him and continuing to walk in the street, that Wilson said he made the connection.

    “When I start looking at Brown, first thing I notice is his right hand, his hand is full of cigarillos. And that’s when it clicked for me because now I saw the cigarillos, I looked in my mirror, I did a double check that Johnson was wearing a black shirt, these are the two from the stealing.”

    At that point, Wilson testified, he called for backup and reversed his own car to cut off Brown and Johnson’s path setting in motion the events the events that led to the shooting.


    Third (from the same reference), the conflict of interest with the county prosecutor:

    Starting in August, in the lead up to the grand jury, there were calls for St. Louis County Prosecutor Robert McCulloch to step aside. Critics alleged that McCulloch’s close relationship with the police department presented a conflict of interest. McCulloch has relatives on the police force, including his father—an officer who was killed in the line of duty when he was shot by a black man.

    So...no, I don't have any sympathy for Wilson. He was stupid - he should have known to call for backup if Brown wouldn't get out of the street. That, and if your gun's in your holster, if a possibly violent suspect is within ten feet of you, you do NOT give him an opportunity to rush you...because he will likely be able to get to you before you can draw your gun. Wilson was in a car and could have simply sped away the moment Brown got too close...but instead was close enough that (according to Wilson's own story) Brown was able to get to his door and/or open window.
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    Re: Ferguson officer who shot Michael Brown resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    First, Wilson's mistakes from the perspective of a cop:

    Not only is [my nephew] a 29 year cop, he is the third highest ranking officer in the county that he works in. I asked him about this. Being the Republican that he is, I expected him to jump to Darin Wilson's defense. He had this to say.

    He would not say it was a racial thing because he doesn't know. He did say he read all of the reports and the grand jury testimony.

    1-He said at very least Wilson is completely incompetent. That you never get out of the car by yourself if you know there is going to be a physical confrontation with an unarmed person. Especially if you were in Wilson's words, "afraid" of the guy.

    2- He said Wilson should have let Brown go, followed him as far as he could in the car as he called for back up. If he had to, arrest him later.

    3-He had no business firing once Brown was down on the ground. He fired four shots too many even if you believe his story.

    4- It is unheard of to leave the guy laying in the street for four and a half hours.

    5- If all of this was in accordance to Wilson's training, an idiot trained him.

    6-Brown's family will get a huge settlement from Ferguson because if this goes to civil trail it will cost them many millions more.

    What my nephew thinks happened is that Wilson got into an argument with the guy, got out of his car to whip his ass. Quickly realized he bit off more than he could chew, so he shot the guy.
    Your reiteration of what another supposedly has said (which isn't believable) is irrelevant.

    #1 Is a complete misstatement as to what happened. He was attacked.
    #2 Is idiotic.
    #3 He didn't fire once Brown was on the ground.
    #4 Showing that either he or you do not understand the surrounding circumstances.
    #s 5 and 6 are just nonsense.



    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Second, inconsistencies in the testimony:

    In August, Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson first said that Wilson knew Brown was a suspect in the robbery before the shooting. But in later interviews, Jackson appeared to change course, saying that Wilson had stopped Brown only for walking in the middle of the street, without mentioning the convenience-store theft.

    In Wilson’s testimony to the grand jury, he said that his interaction with Brown and Brown’s friend Dorian Johnson, a witness to the shooting, began when he saw them walking in the middle of the street and told them to get on the sidewalk. It was after Brown refused, cursing at him and continuing to walk in the street, that Wilson said he made the connection.

    “When I start looking at Brown, first thing I notice is his right hand, his hand is full of cigarillos. And that’s when it clicked for me because now I saw the cigarillos, I looked in my mirror, I did a double check that Johnson was wearing a black shirt, these are the two from the stealing.”

    At that point, Wilson testified, he called for backup and reversed his own car to cut off Brown and Johnson’s path setting in motion the events the events that led to the shooting.


    Third (from the same reference), the conflict of interest with the county prosecutor:

    Starting in August, in the lead up to the grand jury, there were calls for St. Louis County Prosecutor Robert McCulloch to step aside. Critics alleged that McCulloch’s close relationship with the police department presented a conflict of interest. McCulloch has relatives on the police force, including his father—an officer who was killed in the line of duty when he was shot by a black man.

    You have shown no inconsistency in Wilson's account and have shown no conflict of interest.
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    Re: Ferguson officer who shot Michael Brown resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    First, Wilson's mistakes from the perspective of a cop:

    Not only is [my nephew] a 29 year cop, he is the third highest ranking officer in the county that he works in. I asked him about this. Being the Republican that he is, I expected him to jump to Darin Wilson's defense. He had this to say.

    He would not say it was a racial thing because he doesn't know. He did say he read all of the reports and the grand jury testimony.

    1-He said at very least Wilson is completely incompetent. That you never get out of the car by yourself if you know there is going to be a physical confrontation with an unarmed person. Especially if you were in Wilson's words, "afraid" of the guy.

    2- He said Wilson should have let Brown go, followed him as far as he could in the car as he called for back up. If he had to, arrest him later.

    3-He had no business firing once Brown was down on the ground. He fired four shots too many even if you believe his story.

    4- It is unheard of to leave the guy laying in the street for four and a half hours.

    5- If all of this was in accordance to Wilson's training, an idiot trained him.

    6-Brown's family will get a huge settlement from Ferguson because if this goes to civil trail it will cost them many millions more.

    What my nephew thinks happened is that Wilson got into an argument with the guy, got out of his car to whip his ass. Quickly realized he bit off more than he could chew, so he shot the guy.


    Second, inconsistencies in the testimony:

    In August, Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson first said that Wilson knew Brown was a suspect in the robbery before the shooting. But in later interviews, Jackson appeared to change course, saying that Wilson had stopped Brown only for walking in the middle of the street, without mentioning the convenience-store theft.

    In Wilson’s testimony to the grand jury, he said that his interaction with Brown and Brown’s friend Dorian Johnson, a witness to the shooting, began when he saw them walking in the middle of the street and told them to get on the sidewalk. It was after Brown refused, cursing at him and continuing to walk in the street, that Wilson said he made the connection.

    “When I start looking at Brown, first thing I notice is his right hand, his hand is full of cigarillos. And that’s when it clicked for me because now I saw the cigarillos, I looked in my mirror, I did a double check that Johnson was wearing a black shirt, these are the two from the stealing.”

    At that point, Wilson testified, he called for backup and reversed his own car to cut off Brown and Johnson’s path setting in motion the events the events that led to the shooting.


    Third (from the same reference), the conflict of interest with the county prosecutor:

    Starting in August, in the lead up to the grand jury, there were calls for St. Louis County Prosecutor Robert McCulloch to step aside. Critics alleged that McCulloch’s close relationship with the police department presented a conflict of interest. McCulloch has relatives on the police force, including his father—an officer who was killed in the line of duty when he was shot by a black man.

    So...no, I don't have any sympathy for Wilson. He was stupid - he should have known to call for backup if Brown wouldn't get out of the street. That, and if your gun's in your holster, if a possibly violent suspect is within ten feet of you, you do NOT give him an opportunity to rush you...because he will likely be able to get to you before you can draw your gun. Wilson was in a car and could have simply sped away the moment Brown got too close...but instead was close enough that (according to Wilson's own story) Brown was able to get to his door and/or open window.
    It's interesting that you bring up Wilson's testimony without ever referencing there were seven other witnesses, all of which were African-American. Oh and that one witness, I forget his name, the one that perpetuated the Hands Up Don't Shoot line was completely discredited.

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    Re: Ferguson officer who shot Michael Brown resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    First, Wilson's mistakes from the perspective of a cop:

    Not only is [my nephew] a 29 year cop, he is the third highest ranking officer in the county that he works in. I asked him about this. Being the Republican that he is, I expected him to jump to Darin Wilson's defense. He had this to say.

    He would not say it was a racial thing because he doesn't know. He did say he read all of the reports and the grand jury testimony.

    1-He said at very least Wilson is completely incompetent. That you never get out of the car by yourself if you know there is going to be a physical confrontation with an unarmed person. Especially if you were in Wilson's words, "afraid" of the guy.

    2- He said Wilson should have let Brown go, followed him as far as he could in the car as he called for back up. If he had to, arrest him later.

    3-He had no business firing once Brown was down on the ground. He fired four shots too many even if you believe his story.

    4- It is unheard of to leave the guy laying in the street for four and a half hours.

    5- If all of this was in accordance to Wilson's training, an idiot trained him.

    6-Brown's family will get a huge settlement from Ferguson because if this goes to civil trail it will cost them many millions more.

    What my nephew thinks happened is that Wilson got into an argument with the guy, got out of his car to whip his ass. Quickly realized he bit off more than he could chew, so he shot the guy.


    Second, inconsistencies in the testimony:

    In August, Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson first said that Wilson knew Brown was a suspect in the robbery before the shooting. But in later interviews, Jackson appeared to change course, saying that Wilson had stopped Brown only for walking in the middle of the street, without mentioning the convenience-store theft.

    In Wilson’s testimony to the grand jury, he said that his interaction with Brown and Brown’s friend Dorian Johnson, a witness to the shooting, began when he saw them walking in the middle of the street and told them to get on the sidewalk. It was after Brown refused, cursing at him and continuing to walk in the street, that Wilson said he made the connection.

    “When I start looking at Brown, first thing I notice is his right hand, his hand is full of cigarillos. And that’s when it clicked for me because now I saw the cigarillos, I looked in my mirror, I did a double check that Johnson was wearing a black shirt, these are the two from the stealing.”

    At that point, Wilson testified, he called for backup and reversed his own car to cut off Brown and Johnson’s path setting in motion the events the events that led to the shooting.


    Third (from the same reference), the conflict of interest with the county prosecutor:

    Starting in August, in the lead up to the grand jury, there were calls for St. Louis County Prosecutor Robert McCulloch to step aside. Critics alleged that McCulloch’s close relationship with the police department presented a conflict of interest. McCulloch has relatives on the police force, including his father—an officer who was killed in the line of duty when he was shot by a black man.

    So...no, I don't have any sympathy for Wilson. He was stupid - he should have known to call for backup if Brown wouldn't get out of the street. That, and if your gun's in your holster, if a possibly violent suspect is within ten feet of you, you do NOT give him an opportunity to rush you...because he will likely be able to get to you before you can draw your gun. Wilson was in a car and could have simply sped away the moment Brown got too close...but instead was close enough that (according to Wilson's own story) Brown was able to get to his door and/or open window.
    It does not surprise me in the least that the police force in Ferguson, MO is not entirely staffed by Nobel Prize candidates. Nonetheless, my sympathy in this episode is with the guy who was just trying to do his job, and not the guy who committed a robbery and attacked a police officer.
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