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    Re: Ferguson officer who shot Michael Brown resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Really?? Then I stand corrected. Some analysts on CNN said he was within a few months of being vested in his pension, so I foolishly accepted that as fact. Well, that and the fact that the guy himself looks like a doughy, middle-aged guy. Thanks for the information.
    Most public employee defined benefit pension plans have a vesting schedule such that after five years of service an employee will become eligible to receive 20% or 25% of the full pension benefit, and for every year of service thereafter the percentage of the whole which the employee is entitled to increases until the employee is fully eligible to receive 100% of the benefit after 15 or 20 years of service.

    Since we can be pretty sure that Wilson wasn't approaching the point where he was fully vested it's probably a safe assumption that the guy you were listening to was saying that he was a few months shy of meeting the minimum vesting service requirement.

    Wilson probably lost out on a monthly pension payment of somewhere in the neighborhood of $500 (give or take).
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    Re: Ferguson officer who shot Michael Brown resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    The GJ chose not to charge him. They did not find that he did anything criminally wrong (or, there wasn't enough evidence such).... no determination has ever been made that Wilson did nothing wrong. You can say that he did nothing criminal; but you really have no basis to say he did nothing wrong.
    They decided not to indict Wilso, because they determined that he didn't commit a crime. That means he's innocent.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Ferguson officer who shot Michael Brown resigns

    The entire Ferguson police department should resign. Who would want to work for that department now?

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    Re: Ferguson officer who shot Michael Brown resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    They decided not to indict Wilso, because they determined that he didn't commit a crime. That means he's innocent.
    Don't confuse not being deemed criminally culpable (which is the only thing the GJ determined -- not to press charges) with the idea that he is lilly white. He has not moved beyond the questioning as to whether he handled the situation correctly and competently.

    In actuality, The GJ only decided not to prosecute. They make no determination of innocence; they only weigh the evidence to pursue prosecution. None of us really know the actual conclusion of the GJ (they might have concluded there might have been criminal wrong-doing, but just too much "he said - she said" to ever be successful.)

    Wilson is only innocent based upon the presumption of innocence ..... which, BTW, is the same presumption that needs to be extended to Brown, for the same reason.
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    Re: Ferguson officer who shot Michael Brown resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    imo, the shoplifting has little to nothing to do with the incident. Brown was not shot because he shoplifted cigars.
    Of course not. I have been trying to divorce what happened in the convenience store with the shooting throughout this entire thread. Other people keep bringing up the convenience store events to define him as a thug and, because he was a thug, he somehow is worthy of being shot. I have been trying to pierce that twisted logic all long.

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    Re: Ferguson officer who shot Michael Brown resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    OK let's forget completely what happened at the store. Brown was walking in traffic and would not leave the street, then he attacked the officer in his truck.

    Was that OK for him to do, or did that show his mindset that he would kill the officer given the chance?

    Wilson did not give him a second chance to do that. You cannot blame him for that.
    People really do not know exactly what happened in the street.... there is a lot of he said / she said. We only know that an unarmed man had an altercation of some type with a police officer and then ended up dead. We also know that a GJ looked at all the evidence and made the recommendation that there should not be a criminal prosecution. We don't know how rigorous the GJ process really was; we only know its outcome. EVERYTHING else is speculation or reasoned speculation.

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    Re: Ferguson officer who shot Michael Brown resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Of course not. I have been trying to divorce what happened in the convenience store with the shooting throughout this entire thread. Other people keep bringing up the convenience store events to define him as a thug and, because he was a thug, he somehow is worthy of being shot. I have been trying to pierce that twisted logic all long.
    imo, he was not shot for being a thug in the past. He was shot because he threatened the LEO by his actions.

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    Re: Ferguson officer who shot Michael Brown resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Don't confuse not being deemed criminally culpable (which is the only thing the GJ determined -- not to press charges) with the idea that he is lilly white. He has not moved beyond the questioning as to whether he handled the situation correctly and competently.

    In actuality, The GJ only decided not to prosecute. They make no determination of innocence; they only weigh the evidence to pursue prosecution. None of us really know the actual conclusion of the GJ (they might have concluded there might have been criminal wrong-doing, but just too much "he said - she said" to ever be successful.)


    Yeah, he's lilly white, for two reasons: 1) he has a spotless record and 2) he is innocent, until proven guilty.

    Let me put it another way: he hasn't been charged with a crime, so he's as innocent as innocent can get.

    Wilson is only innocent based upon the presumption of innocence ..... which, BTW, is the same presumption that needs to be extended to Brown, for the same reason.
    Brown isn't on trial and never will be. Wilson is the one on trial and the verdict is that he's innocent of a crime.

    Be honest and tell us if you were one of the ones going on about, "I'll accept what the grand jury says".
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Ferguson officer who shot Michael Brown resigns

    An unarmed youth was shot to death, and his shooter has walked away with half a million dollars fighting fund donated by angry old white men.
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    Re: Ferguson officer who shot Michael Brown resigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    An unarmed youth was shot to death, and his shooter has walked away with half a million dollars fighting fund donated by angry old white men.
    Or, if one chooses to accept reality: a street hood assaulted a cop, with the intention of taking his life and was killed in the process.

    Please, stop making it like Wilson pulled up and shot some 12 y/o that was on his way to maw-maw's house, to eat some apple pie.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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