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    Re: Gallup: Peak Number Of Americans Delaying Medical Care Over Costs

    [QUOTE=CMPancake;1064036282]Me? I didn't write that Daily Caller article.



    Do you think I'm a writer for the Daily Caller?



    I agree, there's no excuse for horribly written articles like this one from the Daily Caller.



    Do you have evidence that supports this wild claim? Other than you're own assertions of course.



    Shoved down? It was passed through Congress, the Senate, then signed into law by Obama.


    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    It was evident before Gruber came out and told the truth.

    Oh great, more of Gruber. /eyeroll



    So you think Insurance Companies had a right to run roughshod on it's customers? Denying/removing them from coverage if they happen to get sick



    There's a tax on the industry, yes. But the increased revenue from the millions of Americans now signed up for Health Insurance would more than make up for whatever the tax hike may be.



    Stagnant holding pattern? It's been in a steady recover for the past six years.



    The design of Obamacare was to give more people access to quality healthcare. In that regard it hasn't failed due to the fact millions of people have signed on.



    A struggle that has been happening well before Obamacare and will continue to happen long after Obamacare.



    Except we don't actually know that.



    Obama hasn't been the best President, but you among others don't give him enough credit for the positive things he's done for the country.
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    Re: Gallup: Peak Number Of Americans Delaying Medical Care Over Costs

    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    Me? I didn't write that Daily Caller article.

    No, but given your predisposition to blind allegiance you could be a writer for Media Matters or HuffPo.



    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    Do you think I'm a writer for the Daily Caller?
    No, I think your'e a hack



    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    I agree, there's no excuse for horribly written articles like this one from the Daily Caller.
    There's no excuse for equating empty platitudes and bumper sticker slogans to Presidential qualifications but Millions did just that in 2008 and 2012. Who did you vote for ??



    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    Do you have evidence that supports this wild claim? Other than you're own assertions of course.
    LOL !! Yes, it's the Rich, who aren't affected on bit by rate and premium increases and the poor who qualify for medicaid who're going to fund this monstrosity.......



    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    Shoved down? It was passed through Congress, the Senate, then signed into law by Obama.
    A majority of Americans wanted no part of it, and a majority of Americans want it GONE. Shoved down our throats with a long list of bald face lies by the President and statements like " we have to pass this bill to see whats in it "

    I'm glad you support that kind of process. I don't. I don't like low life Politicians and a low life President lying to me. I don't like laws that kill the economy and remove more discretionary income from the pockets of the Middle Class.


    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Oh great, more of Gruber. /eyeroll
    I realize you people are sick of hearing about Gruber. Too bad.

    He wasn't talking about Conservatives when he said that the idiot voters needed to be lied to for their own good. He was talking about people like yourself.

    We KNEW Obama was lying, we KNEW ObamaCare was going to be a disaster. Since your'e so easy to influence let me give you a little help so you'll know when your'e being lied to by a Liberal.

    When their mouth is moving with sounds coming out of it, they're lying. No need to thank me...



    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    So you think Insurance Companies had a right to run roughshod on it's customers? Denying/removing them from coverage if they happen to get sick
    LOL !!! If you think they ran " roughshod " over their customers before ObaCare was implemented just wait. Thanks to ObamaCare people by law are supposed to purchase overpriced Insurance with higher deductibles and premiums,.


    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    There's a tax on the industry, yes. But the increased revenue from the millions of Americans now signed up for Health Insurance would more than make up for whatever the tax hike may be.
    Nonsense, just ABSOLUTE HACK NONSENSE.

    A TAX ON THE INDUSTRY IS A TAX ON THE CONSUMER. When will you people wake the hell up !!!???

    And the White House had to included Dental plans in order to get to their magic number on sign ups. You realize that right ?

    HHS padded Obamacare enrollment numbers with 400,000 dental plans | Daily Mail Online

    Are you sick of being lied too ? Manipulated ? Because there's plenty of room on this side if your'e willing to drop the BS and use TRUTH as your guide.



    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Stagnant holding pattern? It's been in a steady recover for the past six years.
    Bull ****.
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    " We have increased the number of people on SNAP (what used to be called food stamps) by 16 million, the number on Social Security disability by 1.5 million (a 20 percent increase), and increased the number of people on Medicaid by 9 million even before the expansion of Medicaid under Obamacare (we are still trying to count up those new government dependents; the new total should be about 12 million more people on Medicaid) "



    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    The design of Obamacare was to give more people access to quality healthcare. In that regard it hasn't failed due to the fact millions of people have signed on.
    5 Things The Obamacare Enrollment Numbers Won't Tell You

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Obama hasn't been the best President, but you among others don't give him enough credit for the positive things he's done for the country.
    He's been a unmitigated disaster.
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    Re: Gallup: Peak Number Of Americans Delaying Medical Care Over Costs

    The sad part is, in all likelihood, America is going to be stuck with this turkey without significant change for decades to come. As I was noting in another column, Canada's healthcare system does not pay for medication/drugs for adults 18 and up, under 65 who are not on welfare. This has been the case for over 50 years even though numerous studies and government commissions have shown that the funding of medications/drugs would overall lesson the healthcare costs in the system because far fewer people would forgo prescriptions because they simply can't afford to fill them. It was a flaw in the original design of the program that over half a century hasn't been fixed and not because the Canadian people are opposed to it or opposed to the initial cost increases to them as taxpayers that may initially take place.

    Such massive and life altering program changes have to be done right the first time because it can only be done once. No amount of desire on the part of the American people is going to be able to now overcome the varied and powerful special interests working at cross purposes, both political and economic.

    Americans, because of Democrat haste, arrogance, and incompetence, got the worst of both worlds and you're now likely stuck with it for at least one generation if not more.
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    Re: Gallup: Peak Number Of Americans Delaying Medical Care Over Costs

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    It's just lie, after lie, after lie...And this is supposed to be his legacy...Good Grief, what a loser.[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR]
    Uhh, this has been a growing problem for a long time now.
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    Re: Gallup: Peak Number Of Americans Delaying Medical Care Over Costs

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Mindless Partisan nonsense.

    I had a long response written for this but unfortunately it exceeded the character limit so I'll just put my thoughts in a nice pretty little bow for you.

    You're a partisan hack, you're absolutely off the rocker if you think the current GOP party has been more honest about ACA than the Democratic party and a complete fool if you honestly think that there's only one party looking out for your own interests when it is obvious that neither party cares very little for the country. I haven't made any claim to any political party yet here you are spouting off about how much of a "liberal" I am and how Liberals have been lying to me. You're the worst kind of hack, because you're the hack that has bought into a political party. You'll go down with the Republican ship for better or for worse. That's poor thinking, and that kind of black/white thinking is what has landed this country into the current issues it faces today. When you're done looking at life like a game of Tic Tac Toe perhaps then I'll entertain the idea of discussing politics with you. Until then play in the Partisan sandbox with J-Mac, Zimmer, and Bob.

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    Re: Gallup: Peak Number Of Americans Delaying Medical Care Over Costs

    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    I had a long response written for this but unfortunately it exceeded the character limit so I'll just put my thoughts in a nice pretty little bow for you.

    You're a partisan hack, you're absolutely off the rocker if you think the current GOP party has been more honest about ACA than the Democratic party and a complete fool if you honestly think that there's only one party looking out for your own interests when it is obvious that neither party cares very little for the country. I haven't made any claim to any political party yet here you are spouting off about how much of a "liberal" I am and how Liberals have been lying to me. You're the worst kind of hack, because you're the hack that has bought into a political party. You'll go down with the Republican ship for better or for worse. That's poor thinking, and that kind of black/white thinking is what has landed this country into the current issues it faces today. When you're done looking at life like a game of Tic Tac Toe perhaps then I'll entertain the idea of discussing politics with you. Until then play in the Partisan sandbox with J-Mac, Zimmer, and Bob.
    Am I partisan? Yes, I've made NO mistake about that, and how much I can't stand progressive ideology, or what a threat it is...But at least I'm honest about my views. YOU on the other hand hide behind the obscure, and murky. You post your lean as "other"... Just what the hell does that mean? Especially when you post not only this thread, but others sounding like the worst of the worst of progressive trash, yet when called out on it, you hide behind your refusal to take a stand and let others know what you believe ideologically, so we are left with guessing by judging your words and what you choose to stand for in postings you put up. If you don't want to sound like progressives cookie cutter blather, then I suggest you be more honest about your stance, and quit whining when you are called out.
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    Re: Gallup: Peak Number Of Americans Delaying Medical Care Over Costs

    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    I had a long response written for this but unfortunately it exceeded the character limit so I'll just put my thoughts in a nice pretty little bow for you.

    You're a partisan hack, you're absolutely off the rocker if you think the current GOP party has been more honest about ACA than the Democratic party and a complete fool if you honestly think that there's only one party looking out for your own interests when it is obvious that neither party cares very little for the country. I haven't made any claim to any political party yet here you are spouting off about how much of a "liberal" I am and how Liberals have been lying to me. You're the worst kind of hack, because you're the hack that has bought into a political party. You'll go down with the Republican ship for better or for worse. That's poor thinking, and that kind of black/white thinking is what has landed this country into the current issues it faces today. When you're done looking at life like a game of Tic Tac Toe perhaps then I'll entertain the idea of discussing politics with you. Until then play in the Partisan sandbox with J-Mac, Zimmer, and Bob.

    Yes, its the " lies from the GOP '' that got us ObamaCare and the substantial amount of economic damage its led to....Wow.

    You can call me a partisan hack all you want.

    The reality is I and many who share my ideology and view points were at least intelligent enough to know we were being lied to back when this President was promising that our premiums would drop by 2500 dollars a year.

    We weren't dumb enough to believe that increased taxes on Health Insurers wouldn't simply be passed on to the consumers.

    And we weren't gullible enough to ignore the glaring contradiction that exist in the very Title of the Health care law that was shived down our throats.

    " Affordable Healthcare Act "........Affordable for whom ?

    So sure. Your a moderate right ?

    In the middle criticizing both parties equally ? Bull.

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    Re: Gallup: Peak Number Of Americans Delaying Medical Care Over Costs

    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    OP is trying to imply that Obamacare is raising the cost of medical procedures. The Gallup Poll insists that it is too soon to assume the ACA is having a negative or positive effect remains to be seen.
    I'm going to assume that Obamacare is not raising the cost of medical procedures. Assuming that, most Americans are paying more for health insurance than before and more Americans are deferring services because of OOP costs. If insurance premiums and OOP costs are both increasing, who on earth benefits from this other than the middlemen and their new government overlords?

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