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    U.S. shootings by police, prison conditions trouble U.N.....

    A U.N. anti-torture panel that’s investigating the United States said Friday that it was deeply concerned by what it described as the high incidence of police brutality and shootings _ especially against African-Americans _ in the U.S., was troubled by what it called harsh conditions in many prisons and was worried about the interrogation methods used on detainees. The experts on the United Nations panel called for declassifying evidence of torture by the U.S. – in particular Guantanamo Bay detainees’ accounts – and declassifying and promptly releasing, with minimal redactions, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence’s report about the CIA’s secret detention and interrogation program.

    We express concern at the reported current police violence in Chicago, especially against African-American and Latino young people, and deep concern at the frequent and recurrent police shootings or fatal pursuit of unarmed black individuals,” said Alessio Bruni, a member of the panel and a lead investigator in the review of U.S. compliance with the 1984 Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment. The U.S. ratified the 156-member-country convention in 1994. Bruni, an Italian, said the 10-member panel recommended “that all instances of police brutality and excessive use of force by law enforcement officers are investigated promptly, effectively and impartially by an independent mechanism with no institutional or hierarchical connection between the investigators and the alleged perpetrators.”

    On Nov. 12-13, nearly 30 senior officials from the U.S. Departments of Defense, Justice and Homeland Security, along with the attorney general of Mississippi, presented evidence and were examined by the U.N. panel. The session was part of the periodic review of U.S. compliance with the anti-torture convention. The U.S. was last reviewed in May 2006.....snip~

    Read more here: GENEVA: U.S. shootings by police, prison conditions trouble U.N. | World | Columbus Ledger Enquirer



    Say what. The UN has the nerve to flap their mouths about US police and what they think is brutality? Still talking about torture with terrorists? What do you think about the UN and their so called experts? Can they say they have a Right to be concerned?

    Shouldn't the UN be worried about the major violence coming out of the ME, Africa, and Asia?

    What do you think about BO sending nearly 30 Senior Officials to answer to the UN?

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    Re: U.S. shootings by police, prison conditions trouble U.N.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    A U.N. anti-torture panel that’s investigating the United States said Friday that it was deeply concerned by what it described as the high incidence of police brutality and shootings _ especially against African-Americans _ in the U.S., was troubled by what it called harsh conditions in many prisons and was worried about the interrogation methods used on detainees. The experts on the United Nations panel called for declassifying evidence of torture by the U.S. – in particular Guantanamo Bay detainees’ accounts – and declassifying and promptly releasing, with minimal redactions, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence’s report about the CIA’s secret detention and interrogation program.

    We express concern at the reported current police violence in Chicago, especially against African-American and Latino young people, and deep concern at the frequent and recurrent police shootings or fatal pursuit of unarmed black individuals,” said Alessio Bruni, a member of the panel and a lead investigator in the review of U.S. compliance with the 1984 Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment. The U.S. ratified the 156-member-country convention in 1994. Bruni, an Italian, said the 10-member panel recommended “that all instances of police brutality and excessive use of force by law enforcement officers are investigated promptly, effectively and impartially by an independent mechanism with no institutional or hierarchical connection between the investigators and the alleged perpetrators.”

    On Nov. 12-13, nearly 30 senior officials from the U.S. Departments of Defense, Justice and Homeland Security, along with the attorney general of Mississippi, presented evidence and were examined by the U.N. panel. The session was part of the periodic review of U.S. compliance with the anti-torture convention. The U.S. was last reviewed in May 2006.....snip~

    Read more here: GENEVA: U.S. shootings by police, prison conditions trouble U.N. | World | Columbus Ledger Enquirer



    Say what. The UN has the nerve to flap their mouths about US police and what they think is brutality? Still talking about torture with terrorists? What do you think about the UN and their so called experts? Can they say they have a Right to be concerned?

    Shouldn't the UN be worried about the major violence coming out of the ME, Africa, and Asia?

    What do you think about BO sending nearly 30 Senior Officials to answer to the UN?
    I don't care that they have said something or issued a report lambasting the illegalities performed by Americans who have official authority or carry guns for a living, so long as it does not alter the relationship between the U.N. and the U.S., as in, our sovereignty.

    The U.N. addresses most of the bad **** that happens in the world: United Nations News Centre -- they're always condemning something.

    And I don't know if the characterization of, "sending nearly 30 Senior Officials to answer to the UN," is correct or not. By appearances, it may certainly look that way, but it could be a diplomatic thing -- downplay and divert attention, as I assume some of those going are some of our official lawyers.

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    Re: U.S. shootings by police, prison conditions trouble U.N.....

    The US government is a moral giant in a world of criminals. After all, we are spreading democracy all over the world.

    We do no wrong, and the pansies at the UN and elsewhere should zipper their lips.

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    Re: U.S. shootings by police, prison conditions trouble U.N.....

    should they sit idly by while the supposed flagship model that other (developing) countries should aspire to is collapsing under excessive authoritarianism?

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    Re: U.S. shootings by police, prison conditions trouble U.N.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    I don't care that they have said something or issued a report lambasting the illegalities performed by Americans who have official authority or carry guns for a living, so long as it does not alter the relationship between the U.N. and the U.S., as in, our sovereignty.

    The U.N. addresses most of the bad **** that happens in the world: United Nations News Centre -- they're always condemning something.

    And I don't know if the characterization of, "sending nearly 30 Senior Officials to answer to the UN," is correct or not. By appearances, it may certainly look that way, but it could be a diplomatic thing -- downplay and divert attention, as I assume some of those going are some of our official lawyers.

    Perhaps the UN shouldn't be hearing from the ACLU and what their take on things are. As they have been known to outright lie about incidents and make up more to a civil rights issue than there is.

    It did say Senior Officials.....and an Attorney General.


    The committee also said it was concerned about what it called excessive use of force by law enforcement officials against immigrants and LGBT individuals, about racial profiling and about the growing militarization of policing activities.

    “This (U.N.) report – along with the voices of Americans protesting around the country this week – is a wake-up call for police who think they can act with impunity,” said Jamil Dakwar, the director of human rights at the American Civil Liberties Union.....snip~

    Read more here: GENEVA: U.S. shootings by police, prison conditions trouble U.N. | World | Columbus Ledger Enquirer

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    Re: U.S. shootings by police, prison conditions trouble U.N.....

    My words to the UN:

    Dont you guys have some tin horn dictators to give support to, and some terrorists to excuse?
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    Re: U.S. shootings by police, prison conditions trouble U.N.....

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    should they sit idly by while the supposed flagship model that other (developing) countries should aspire to is collapsing under excessive authoritarianism?
    No, they have more important business to deal with where I mentioned.....which would include all those Countries and their Police which are even more Para-military then US police. Something they can actually talk about. Rather than guess with US Law Enforcement.

    Also they need to get the concept into their head. Terrorists have no Rights!

    Moreover.....they need to come up with the names of their so called experts on their panel. Besides The Italian and Chiliean Diplomats.

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    Re: U.S. shootings by police, prison conditions trouble U.N.....

    While there are countries worse than the US, my guess is they are countries we don't want to be grouped with. Certainly our "justice" system in the US has issues. There is plenty of documentation out there; but I wanted to mention a book I just read by Bryan Stephenson "Just Mercy: a story of justice and redemption". He covers egregious miscarriages of justice he observed while working in Alabama on death penalty and other cases. In particular, the case of Walter McMillian is hugely troubling. Luckily he didn't get shot by police, but he was thrown on death row for a murder that not only he didn't commit, there was ample evidence supporting him and only trumped up evidence against him.
    Walter McMillian - National Registry of Exonerations

    We may not like getting scolded by the UN, but that shouldn't blind us to the fact we could be doing better. And that includes training cops on how better to de-escalate situations, rather than going in with guns blazing.

    (and remember - there are professions more deadly than policing; any google search will tell you that.)

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    Oh horse****! The shooting by police "troubles the UN?" Yeah, I can imagine that they spend lots of sleepless nights because of it! I wonder if they worry about the shootings that go on every day in Chicago - Obama's home town - too! And they worry about prison conditions, too? WTH? If criminals didn't break the law, they wouldn't be in prison!

    We do not report to the UN! We have a Constitution that this country was founded on, and we are a nation of laws that apply here. The UN might do well to mind their own affairs and involve themselves in the trouble spots elsewhere in the world - we can and will handle our own problems! Just because BO and his DOJ did not like the results of the Ferguson decision is their problem - our laws were followed!

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    Re: U.S. shootings by police, prison conditions trouble U.N.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    The US government is a moral giant in a world of criminals. After all, we are spreading democracy all over the world.

    We do no wrong, and the pansies at the UN and elsewhere should zipper their lips.


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