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Ferguson protesters shut down malls, trains on Black Friday

So now you're blaming fox for posting their article on this forum? :roll:



All of which is illegal. Not even pro-life folks are allowed to impede traffic going to and from an abortion clinic without arrests being made. What makes you think that these people should be treated any differently?



No, they are not legally protesting. In order to legally protest you must not violate anyone else's Rights. Forcing businesses closed by chaining doors closed and chaining yourself to trains in order to stop them from moving is not legal and violates other peoples rights. Which again, no one has the right to do. 1st Amendment or otherwise.



Please show proof that the legal system is flawed. And remember, causation does not equal correlation.
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If I am a protester, and I walk in front of you on public property, namely a street or avenue, and say to you I am protesting the legal system, and I briefly make you stop and listen to me, I am not violating your rights. If you see me protesting on that avenue or street, and you choose not to go to the train entrance or a business because you want to avoid me, that is your prerogative, you don't have to face me if you do not want to, that is your right.
 
Were you around in the 60's? I recall the very same thing happening. Some people believe they need to tear stuff down and burn it to the ground before anything tangible in their favor happens. They think that is the only way to be heard, it worked in the 60's.

I suppose if you want to look at it that way, you can, but I don't consider the riots of the 60's to be a success for all Americans. Those riots initiated an internal response from the federal government, even a commission was created, the Kerner Commission, also known as The National Advisory Commission on Civil Disorders. Their report: http://www.eisenhowerfoundation.org/docs/kerner.pdf

Also significant is Operation Garden Plot also known as The Department of Defense Civil Disturbance Plan.
 
Ferguson protesters shut down malls, trains on Black Friday | Fox News

Good, this is the next level to raise awareness of how cops have become lawless and brutal themselves.

Then, a handful of around 15 protesters were arrested, so much for freedom to assemble, now they're trampling on constitutional rights, trying to tamp down peaceful demonstrations, how despicable.

All this misplaced angst in the name of a petty criminal and bully who finally met someone not willing to just take his ****. Pathetic.

And as for the protestors being arrested, since when is it a constitutional right to trample on others' constitutional freedom of assembly, i.e. the right to participate in legal commerce on private property (malls) or to interfere in the public transportation system?
 


From your article: The FBI is assisting in an investigation of the fatal shooting, and the ACLU has urged the police department to change its policies and practices.

Looks to me like nothing has been fully decided yet. :shrug: Not to mention its not the police chiefs job to decide if someone goes to trial or not. It's the DA's. What's the DA got to say on this?

If I am a protester, and I walk in front of you on public property, namely a street or avenue, and say to you I am protesting the legal system, and I briefly make you stop and listen to me, I am not violating your rights. If you see me protesting on that avenue or street, and you choose not to go to the train entrance or a business because you want to avoid me, that is your prerogative, you don't have to face me if you do not want to, that is your right.

And if you as a protestor prevent me from entering the mall because you chained the doors closed or prevented the train that I own from leaving because you just chained yourself to it? Yeah...you just violated my rights. Which is exactly why those people that were arrested were arrested for.
 
All this misplaced angst in the name of a petty criminal and bully who finally met someone not willing to just take his ****. Pathetic.

And as for the protestors being arrested, since when is it a constitutional right to trample on others' constitutional freedom of assembly, i.e. the right to participate in legal commerce on private property (malls) or to interfere in the public transportation system?

Since your location is Canada, I can't even begin to discuss American Constitutional rights vs Canadian rights. Please read our first amendment so as to derive a gist of what Americans are allowed to do.
 
What a load of crap. From your own article...



A dozen buildings and some cars being burned is peaceful?

Or perhaps you're talking about the protesters that laid down on the floor of the stores? The Galleria Malls in Richmond Heights? Or the West County Mall in Des Peres? Sorry, according to your article none of those people were arrested. Although at least some of them probably should have been considering they were on private property, not public.

Or are you talking about the people that chained themselves to trains for the train service from Oakland to San Francisco? You know, the train service that many people depend on in order to get home from work or to go to work? Which by the by is also private property. Not to mention all the safety issues of chaining yourself to a TRAIN.

Or do you really call chaining doors to the Pacific Place Shopping Center in Seattle peaceful? God knows what the people inside of that building would have done had one of them protestors set the place on fire like they did the buildings in Ferguson.

But hey! Its all justified right? After all, a white cop shot a black adult. All manners of vandalism and rioting and trespassing and other illegal actions are quite acceptable just because of that one simple fact. All other facts are not relevant and should just be ignored by all those righteous "peaceful protesters"....Right?

Spectacular!!
 
All this misplaced angst in the name of a petty criminal and bully who finally met someone not willing to just take his ****. Pathetic.

And as for the protestors being arrested, since when is it a constitutional right to trample on others' constitutional freedom of assembly, i.e. the right to participate in legal commerce on private property (malls) or to interfere in the public transportation system?

It seems this thief wasn't so petty.

There is someone trying to get his juvenile criminal records released and have learned from law enforcement there is a second degree murder charge, and that he is linked to the Crips gang.

When the records are released... then confirmation can be made or not.
 
Since your location is Canada, I can't even begin to discuss American Constitutional rights vs Canadian rights. Please read our first amendment so as to derive a gist of what Americans are allowed to do.

I've got a feeling that CJ has more of a grasp on US Constitutional Rights than you do. Or at the very least he understands that you don't have the right to violate other peoples Rights.
 
Are you not in favor of a person's constitutional rights? I think your sense of right v wrong is severely flawed, now, say something about the protesters shutting down the malls, you know, the topic of the thread?

Shutting down private property and legal commerce licensed in a community is illegal and not an expression of first amendment rights - do you actually know what the first amendment is about? You don't support freedom of expression, unless it's your expression alone - you actually support freedom from police so you can do whatever the **** you want whenever you want whomever else has to suffer a lack of freedom in the process. You want to exercise your freedom of expression, find a hill in a park and rant and rage against the moon all you want - no one will hassle you.
 
It seems this thief wasn't so petty.

There is someone trying to get his juvenile criminal records released and have learned from law enforcement there is a second degree murder charge, and that he is linked to the Crips gang.

When the records are released... then confirmation can be made or not.

Such a role model for blacks in America - perhaps one day there'll be a statue in Washington commemorating the life of Michael Brown.
 
From your article: The FBI is assisting in an investigation of the fatal shooting, and the ACLU has urged the police department to change its policies and practices.

Looks to me like nothing has been fully decided yet. :shrug: Not to mention its not the police chiefs job to decide if someone goes to trial or not. It's the DA's. What's the DA got to say on this?



And if you as a protestor prevent me from entering the mall because you chained the doors closed or prevented the train that I own from leaving because you just chained yourself to it? Yeah...you just violated my rights. Which is exactly why those people that were arrested were arrested for.

I can see your confusion, or delusion concerning protests and cops who kill citizens.

You believe protests should be illegal, and cops have the right to gun down anybody they perceive as a threat to them.

Were you around in the 60's to see how the police state treated protesters? Sometimes extreme measures are taken by some protesters to amplify the meaning of the thing they're protesting for. Do you really believe other people would stand up and take notice if extreme measures weren't taken? I believe protesters would likely be ignored if they didn't do something to garner more attention.

Being arrested for such, chaining yourself to a door, probably falls under disorderly conduct, probably a $100 fine, a small price for a point to be given and taken well. Resisting arrest might be a $200 fine, again, a small price for asserting an opinion and someone taking the point of the demonstration well. Isn't that better than setting things on fire? It's a peaceful protest.
 
Such a role model for blacks in America - perhaps one day there'll be a statue in Washington commemorating the life of Michael Brown.

He should be in the middle giving a gansta pose... flanked by Sharpton, Wright, and Jackson. Obama and Holder should be behind Brown giving him a thumbs up. A... ahem... civil rights version of the statue of the men raising the flag at Iwo Jima. Maybe Obama's son, Trayvon Martin could be included with Brown?
 
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I can see your confusion, or delusion concerning protests and cops who kill citizens.

You believe protests should be illegal, and cops have the right to gun down anybody they perceive as a threat to them.

Considering post #'s 22 and 23 I can't believe you just stated this. I guess it just goes to show that you're not actually reading anything that is said. You're just here to rant about a white cop shooting a black guy. This is just more evidence that you don't care about facts. I'm done with responding to you. Your arguments are weaker than a new born pups legs and have no substance to them.
 
All this misplaced angst in the name of a petty criminal and bully who finally met someone not willing to just take his ****. Pathetic.

Was the policeman's life still in danger when Brown got out of the car and walked away?

Since you mention the word pathetic for a petty criminal,
I'd call unloading your gun on a petty criminal who was unarmed pathetic--wouldn't you Canada John ?
 
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Ferguson protesters shut down malls, trains on Black Friday | Fox News

Good, this is the next level to raise awareness of how cops have become lawless and brutal themselves.

Then, a handful of around 15 protesters were arrested, so much for freedom to assemble, now they're trampling on constitutional rights, trying to tamp down peaceful demonstrations, how despicable.
The arrests don't bother me. Civil disobedience usually utilizes peaceful, but illegal, behavior. Moreover, before protests happen, protest organizers usually determine who will be arrested if it ever comes to that and then they call their lawyers to get them out later. Remember, even Dr. King was jailed.

I support what the protesters did and I'm sure they knew that arrests were going to be part of it.
 
There should be one for Charles H. Houston, the man who got rid of Jim Crow laws in the conservative South.
He of course started in the NAACP, going after separate but unequal education in the conservative South .

Such a role model for blacks in America - perhaps one day there'll be a statue in Washington commemorating the life of Michael Brown.
 
Are you not in favor of a person's constitutional rights? I think your sense of right v wrong is severely flawed, now, say something about the protesters shutting down the malls, you know, the topic of the thread?

The dead thug didn't seem to care about anyones rights when he punched a cop and tried to get his gun-thats how you get killed.

And Ive already said the protesters are just a bunch of agitators, and deserve punishment.
 
You don't get it, which is typical of a righty. People demand change, they don't sit around and wait for it. You evidently know nothing about past history, otherwise, you would know citizens just don't sit around wishing and hoping, citizens demand change. I suppose if you want to convince a lawmaker of something, you would carry to them a box of chocolates, a bouquet of flowers, and a handful of cash to lobby with? isn't that what right wing people do?

Change comes from using the proper legal avenues, not from shutting down malls and trains.
 
After all, a white cop shot a black adult.

When does a Black adult become an adult Kal?
What measure of age or "looks" should we be using?
18 for going in the service or 21 for buying alcohol and pot where it's legal?

How about 12-YO boys with toy guns?
Do they look adult because of the long braids so a rookie cop can shoot him while the veteran cop stays in the car?

Since you like to compare with Canada John in open forum, his word for this type of action by cops is "pathetic" .
 
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Was the policeman's life still in danger when Brown got out of the car and walked away?

Since you mention the word pathetic for a petty criminal,
I'd call unloading your gun on a petty criminal who was unarmed pathetic--wouldn't you Canada John ?

No, under the circumstances as we know them, I wouldn't. But then I'm a person who believes in personal responsibility whereas modern liberals, like you, believe that someone else is always to blame for the consequences of their actions.
 
Many on the Left (although this is certainly available from those who are desperate enough on the Right) overly romanticize civil disobedience.

Those most affected by the interruption of transportation and consumerism aren't the well-to-do, but rather the lower middle class and the lower class. They may sympathize with your aims, but they certainly cannot afford to be denied transportation to their jobs, spending time with their families, and providing meaningful gifts for family and friends. This time is especially valuable to them. Never mind that now. We best deny everyone simple, honest, heart-warming comforts, because our naive political crusades are more important.

Likewise, because their minds have been poisoned by Henry David Thoreau (who, as any learned liberal would let you know, inspired Gandhi, who in turn inspired MLK), they have seemingly taken being arrested as a badge of honor. Being arrested isn't a badge of honor, and doing things so blatantly against the law so one could get arrested is beyond juvenile behavior. Of course, little be it known that Mr. Thoreau, so privileged be his position in life, that a night in jail was like a damn vacation for him. Oh he thought it was marvelous! He could afford to be bailed out by his auntie and display his privileged position even further by demanding in vain that he stay in jail so he could feel like a man. Ever since then, a good Leftist needs to get thrown into jail to feel like he or she was doing right and standing up for their beliefs. :roll:
I just wanted to tell you that the disdain you and others continue to express for these people feeds my soul.
 
The dead thug didn't seem to care about anyones rights when he punched a cop and tried to get his gun-thats how you get killed.
Yet the dead thug wasn't dead when he left the car was he?
And the dead thug you refer to went for the gun because he didn't have one didn't he?

Which is why the cowardly cop got out of his car and unloaded his gun on a gun-less man right US Conservative?
All very legal under the Missouri law also .
 
So is modern liberal your new phrase Canada John?
And then directly tell me that I believe someone else is to blame for the consequences of my actions!
Which is a blatant irrational lie that even you must have had a hard time typing.

I'm glad to hear that you don't think the cowardly policeman's life was in danger when Brown left the car though .

No, under the circumstances as we know them, I wouldn't. But then I'm a person who believes in personal responsibility whereas modern liberals, like you, believe that someone else is always to blame for the consequences of their actions.
 
Since your location is Canada, I can't even begin to discuss American Constitutional rights vs Canadian rights.
90% of Canadians live within 100 miles of the US border so I think it's safe to discuss the issue with them.
 
The legal - justice system is broken, this is basically why these protests are ongoing. People want to see some changes made.
That's just to bad because the cop didn't do anything wrong.
 
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