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    Re: Ferguson protesters shut down malls, trains on Black Friday

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Hey, read the story, this is about peaceful protesters shutting down malls and demonstrating at the Ferguson PD, this happened on black Friday, yesterday, you know. No cars or buildings were torched, get with it here, you're reliving what happened after the immediate grand jury decision! Have another cup of coffee, come back and read the linked article. Then post something about that topic, you of all people should know your rant is way off.
    That's really funny considering EVERYTHING that I wrote with the exception of the last paragraph and the first sentence in that post was taking DIRECTLY from your own article and splashed with a little bit of my own commentary on each section. Did you not even read the article yourself?
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    Re: Ferguson protesters shut down malls, trains on Black Friday

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Nothing was burnt last night. Evidently, some people think it's okay to trample on first amendment constitutional rights. I'll repeat, there are no daily reports today of anything being torched yesterday.
    Please continue to ignore that everything I have stated so far was in direct relation to everything that was said in that article.

    Even if you want to ignore the burning aspect the 1st Amendment does not protect a person that is violating another persons Rights. Such as trespassing on private property. Chaining the doors of a mall closed to prevent people from going in...OR OUT. Chaining oneself to trains, while highly stupid, is also a violation of private property.

    You want to conduct a peaceful protest? Fine. Do it on PUBLIC LAND. Not Private Property. And make damn sure that you're not violating anyone else's Rights because then your Rights are null and void.
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    Re: Ferguson protesters shut down malls, trains on Black Friday

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    You don't get it, which is typical of a righty. People demand change, they don't sit around and wait for it. You evidently know nothing about past history, otherwise, you would know citizens just don't sit around wishing and hoping, citizens demand change. I suppose if you want to convince a lawmaker of something, you would carry to them a box of chocolates, a bouquet of flowers, and a handful of cash to lobby with? isn't that what right wing people do?
    So demand change! I'm all for people doing that. It's THIER RIGHT TO DO SO!

    What is not with in yours or anyone else's Rights however is violating other peoples rights to do so.
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    Re: Ferguson protesters shut down malls, trains on Black Friday

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    That's really funny considering EVERYTHING that I wrote with the exception of the last paragraph and the first sentence in that post was taking DIRECTLY from your own article and splashed with a little bit of my own commentary on each section. Did you not even read the article yourself?
    It is a Fox article, but of course, what could one expect?

    Ferguson protesters shut down malls, trains on Black Friday


    See how they're working things now, instead of burning, they're legally protesting, cops are arresting and violating people's first amendment rights, and Al Sharpton wouldn't be needed for this, this is trial attorney stuff.

    I'm glad people think this if funny, I don't take it so lightly when people across the nation are protesting the flawed legal system. I might even join them here locally.

    You see, when people gather together, and shut businesses down, they're accomplishing something. They're sending the message they wish to convey, and when it begins to hurt businesses in the pocket book, then the business owners begin to agree with the protesters and say they wish things would change too.

    Nothing was ever accomplished by sitting in a living room watching television. People end up taking more than they can take, and start doing something to bring about changes.
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    Re: Ferguson protesters shut down malls, trains on Black Friday

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    It is a Fox article, but of course, what could one expect?
    So now you're blaming fox for posting their article on this forum?

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Ferguson protesters shut down malls, trains on Black Friday
    All of which is illegal. Not even pro-life folks are allowed to impede traffic going to and from an abortion clinic without arrests being made. What makes you think that these people should be treated any differently?

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    See how they're working things now, instead of burning, they're legally protesting, cops are arresting and violating people's first amendment rights, and Al Sharpton wouldn't be needed for this, this is trial attorney stuff.
    No, they are not legally protesting. In order to legally protest you must not violate anyone else's Rights. Forcing businesses closed by chaining doors closed and chaining yourself to trains in order to stop them from moving is not legal and violates other peoples rights. Which again, no one has the right to do. 1st Amendment or otherwise.

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    I'm glad people think this if funny, I don't take it so lightly when people across the nation are protesting the flawed legal system. I might even join them here locally.
    Please show proof that the legal system is flawed. And remember, causation does not equal correlation.
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    Re: Ferguson protesters shut down malls, trains on Black Friday

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    So now you're blaming fox for posting their article on this forum?



    All of which is illegal. Not even pro-life folks are allowed to impede traffic going to and from an abortion clinic without arrests being made. What makes you think that these people should be treated any differently?



    No, they are not legally protesting. In order to legally protest you must not violate anyone else's Rights. Forcing businesses closed by chaining doors closed and chaining yourself to trains in order to stop them from moving is not legal and violates other peoples rights. Which again, no one has the right to do. 1st Amendment or otherwise.



    Please show proof that the legal system is flawed. And remember, causation does not equal correlation.
    Milwaukee cop fired for fatal shooting of mentally ill man during park encounter
    Milwaukee cop fired for fatal shooting of mentally ill man during park encounter


    If I am a protester, and I walk in front of you on public property, namely a street or avenue, and say to you I am protesting the legal system, and I briefly make you stop and listen to me, I am not violating your rights. If you see me protesting on that avenue or street, and you choose not to go to the train entrance or a business because you want to avoid me, that is your prerogative, you don't have to face me if you do not want to, that is your right.

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    Re: Ferguson protesters shut down malls, trains on Black Friday

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Were you around in the 60's? I recall the very same thing happening. Some people believe they need to tear stuff down and burn it to the ground before anything tangible in their favor happens. They think that is the only way to be heard, it worked in the 60's.
    I suppose if you want to look at it that way, you can, but I don't consider the riots of the 60's to be a success for all Americans. Those riots initiated an internal response from the federal government, even a commission was created, the Kerner Commission, also known as The National Advisory Commission on Civil Disorders. Their report: http://www.eisenhowerfoundation.org/docs/kerner.pdf

    Also significant is Operation Garden Plot also known as The Department of Defense Civil Disturbance Plan.

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    Re: Ferguson protesters shut down malls, trains on Black Friday

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Ferguson protesters shut down malls, trains on Black Friday | Fox News

    Good, this is the next level to raise awareness of how cops have become lawless and brutal themselves.

    Then, a handful of around 15 protesters were arrested, so much for freedom to assemble, now they're trampling on constitutional rights, trying to tamp down peaceful demonstrations, how despicable.
    All this misplaced angst in the name of a petty criminal and bully who finally met someone not willing to just take his ****. Pathetic.

    And as for the protestors being arrested, since when is it a constitutional right to trample on others' constitutional freedom of assembly, i.e. the right to participate in legal commerce on private property (malls) or to interfere in the public transportation system?
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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    Re: Ferguson protesters shut down malls, trains on Black Friday


    From your article: The FBI is assisting in an investigation of the fatal shooting, and the ACLU has urged the police department to change its policies and practices.

    Looks to me like nothing has been fully decided yet. Not to mention its not the police chiefs job to decide if someone goes to trial or not. It's the DA's. What's the DA got to say on this?

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    If I am a protester, and I walk in front of you on public property, namely a street or avenue, and say to you I am protesting the legal system, and I briefly make you stop and listen to me, I am not violating your rights. If you see me protesting on that avenue or street, and you choose not to go to the train entrance or a business because you want to avoid me, that is your prerogative, you don't have to face me if you do not want to, that is your right.
    And if you as a protestor prevent me from entering the mall because you chained the doors closed or prevented the train that I own from leaving because you just chained yourself to it? Yeah...you just violated my rights. Which is exactly why those people that were arrested were arrested for.
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    Re: Ferguson protesters shut down malls, trains on Black Friday

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    All this misplaced angst in the name of a petty criminal and bully who finally met someone not willing to just take his ****. Pathetic.

    And as for the protestors being arrested, since when is it a constitutional right to trample on others' constitutional freedom of assembly, i.e. the right to participate in legal commerce on private property (malls) or to interfere in the public transportation system?
    Since your location is Canada, I can't even begin to discuss American Constitutional rights vs Canadian rights. Please read our first amendment so as to derive a gist of what Americans are allowed to do.

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