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    Re: Ferguson protesters shut down malls, trains on Black Friday

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    A red light light isn't a form of violence unless it was intentionally programmed to harass people. Intentionally shutting down the subways and preventing people from going home for two hours (which has happened in my town) is violence that harms innocent people. Note that I said "Residual, unintended effects from a large protest (such as traffic backups) are not immoral.."
    Though I sense our positions on this issue are wildly different, I think we may have some common ground here. It raises the question of what defines the lines between vengeance, justice, and tyranny. And if you ask a hundred different people that question, you will get a hundred different answers. Add to the fact that the fate of human lives can depend on the application of those definitions, and you sow the ground for verbal strife. That is why it is so important that we discuss these issues rationally, with deference to the facts and without deference to lies. Speaking of which...

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    MLK wanted people judged by the content of their character, not the color of their skin.
    Stop right there. Conservative whites LOVE to quote this line of MLK, because it is so easy to interpret in the context of not challenging the system of oppression of blacks that was strong then, and is still strong now. But since you want to play quote game, let's play!

    "Weíve got to fill the jails in order to win our equal rights."

    "A second area in which there is need for strong leadership is from the white northern liberals. There is a dire need today for a liberalism which is truly liberal. What we are witnessing today in so many northern communities is a sort of quasi-liberalism which is based on the principle of looking sympathetically at all sides. It is a liberalism so bent on seeing all sides, that it fails to become committed to either side. It is a liberalism that is so objectively analytical that it is not subjectively committed. It is a liberalism which is neither hot nor cold, but lukewarm. We call for a liberalism from the North which will be thoroughly committed to the ideal of racial justice."

    And to put your trite little quote into context...

    "As you know, we are involved in a difficult struggle. It was about a hundred and four years ago that Abraham Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation, freeing the Negro from the bondage of physical slavery. And yet we stand here one hundred and four years later, and the Negro still isnít free. One hundred and four years later, we still have states like Mississippi and Alabama where Negroes are lynched at whim and murdered at will. One hundred and four years later, we must face the tragic fact that the vast majority of Negroes in our country find themselves perishing on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. One hundred and four years later, fifty percent of the Negro families of our country are forced to live in substandard housing conditions, most of whom do not have wall-to-wall carpets; many of them are forced to live with wall-to-wall rats and roaches. One hundred and four years later, we find ourselves in a situation where even though we live in a nation founded on the principle that all men are created equal, men are still arguing over whether the color of a manís skin determines the content of his character. Now this tells us that we have a long, long way to go."

    All copy-pasted MLK quotes. All located with a two-second google search.

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    Re: Ferguson protesters shut down malls, trains on Black Friday

    Not sure what those MLK quotes are supposed to prove. They speak of things as they were 50 years ago. The 'being judged by the content of ones character' was him longing for the way things ought to be.

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    Re: Ferguson protesters shut down malls, trains on Black Friday

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Not sure what those MLK quotes are supposed to prove. They speak of things as they were 50 years ago. The 'being judged by the content of ones character' was him longing for the way things ought to be.
    I cited him merely to point out the irony of the "mob" wanting this cop judged by his skin color, sadly another forumite now wants to veer into what MLK "really meant".

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    Re: Ferguson protesters shut down malls, trains on Black Friday

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    People have a "constitutional right" to sucker punch a cop and go for his gun? What in the actual ****?
    If a cop rolls up to me in a police cruiser, opens his door and smacks me with it, I should just stand there and take that type of abuse huh?

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    Re: Ferguson protesters shut down malls, trains on Black Friday

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Just so we're clear. You believe destroying the personal property of an innocent bystander is the best way to be heard? Yes, or no.
    Just so I'm clear with you oh benevolent one, no, and I never said that I did, just to be clear.

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    Re: Ferguson protesters shut down malls, trains on Black Friday

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Yes, because nothing says you are concerned about a "broken" justice system, like destroying personal property and stealing from the very people you claim to care about. Especially concerning a case where the justice system appears to have worked.
    You're going to need to pump up your rhetoric and personal attacks a bit more, I'm liking your faux outrage at this level.

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    Re: Ferguson protesters shut down malls, trains on Black Friday

    Quote Originally Posted by Doppelgangirl View Post
    This is true, as well.

    Unfortunately, IMHO the Michael Brown/Ferguson incident was probably the worst example to highlight to make a case for system overhaul...

    A damn shame, too... Its an important issue.
    Speaking as person who grew up in urban Chicago, who had a few black friends, cops back then used to pull me over whenever I had those friends in my car, and asked where I was going and what was I doing in THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. So, yeah, what's old is new again. At times, we weren't even allowed to play in the streets because some hard ass cop would come along and tell us to get out of the street, much like Wilson tried to do in this situation. Wilson aggravated and escalated the situation.

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    Re: Ferguson protesters shut down malls, trains on Black Friday

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    They were responsible for prolonging the war in Vietnam.
    Sure they were.

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    Re: Ferguson protesters shut down malls, trains on Black Friday

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Freedom to assemble doesn't mean being able to break the law, at least to rational people. Closing malls, stopping the flow of traffic, no big deal. Just like attacking a police officer I guess.

    Peaceful demonstrations?





    The assistant professor should have probably waited until becoming a full professor to do something like this; you know, the tenure thing.

    Ferguson protests continue leading to mall closures, arrests | Fox News
    Attacking a police officer.....

    well, the prime witness was shot multiple times, and is deceased.

    hearsay, his (Wilson's) word against the deceased, in this case, the living's word prevailed.

    who assaulted who first? the cop driving the police cruiser who opened the door to smack Brown? or was it Brown allegedly causing a massive eye bone fracture?

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    Re: Ferguson protesters shut down malls, trains on Black Friday

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Sure they were.
    How old are you ?

    Don't repeat what you were indoctrinated in school if you weren't there and done that.

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