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    Re: Ferguson protesters shut down malls, trains on Black Friday

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    This a comment on protests in general, not whether these particular people should have been arrested.

    I am on the left and I do not support violent protest. I support non-violent protest and civil disobedience that is well-targetted. The goal should be to demonstrate that your side is the side that supports freedom, justice and peace for all.

    Intentionally keeping ordinary people from going about their business freely is not non-violent protest. When people are stuck in traffic or on public transportation for a long period of time because protesters have intentionally blocked the streets, it is a form of kidnapping. Residual, unintended effects from a large protest (such as traffic backups) are not immoral, but intentionally causing harm to ordinary people is violence against innocent people. Wasting a significant amount of a person's time is causing harm. Not only is it wrong, it is not helpful for the cause being promoted.

    Looting is even worse, it is nothing but greedy people taking advantage of an opportunity. Most destruction and violence is similar, I have seen who does it, and it is a handful of violent and destructive boys and young men taking advantage of the opportunity to act out their violent desires.

    That said, one should not let the jerks who arrogantly and/or opportunistically highjack a protest distract from the original message of the majority of protesters who are peaceful and respectful of their community.
    By that logic, a red light that is too long could be considered a form of violence.
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    Re: Ferguson protesters shut down malls, trains on Black Friday

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The police aren't the people the public hates over this.
    Agreed...
    And that's saying a bunch, considering the "more-often-than-preferred" interaction I had in college with law enforcement...

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    Re: Ferguson protesters shut down malls, trains on Black Friday

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    The legal - justice system is broken, this is basically why these protests are ongoing. People want to see some changes made.

    Much like the riots of the 1960's, people are making a statement now, they're fed up with the biased legal system, the establishment.
    This is true, as well.

    Unfortunately, IMHO the Michael Brown/Ferguson incident was probably the worst example to highlight to make a case for system overhaul...

    A damn shame, too... Its an important issue.

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    Re: Ferguson protesters shut down malls, trains on Black Friday

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Nice goalpost shift. My link clearly refutes your assertion that the Republicans overwhelmingly carried the Civil Rights Act. No, it was the non-Southern states that did that. Many times we Southerners need help to move forward, and the Civil Rights Act did exactly that.

    Of course, if you want to go there, let's talk about what the two parties stood for before and after desegregation. You are familiar with the Southern Strategy, right?
    I dont recall saying anything about the southern states, but lets not forget who our racist POTUS was. You are getting too far off course here, MLK wanted people judged on the content of their character. Brown, by that measure was absolutely a thug, its the left treating him differently based on his race-making excuses and such.

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    Re: Ferguson protesters shut down malls, trains on Black Friday

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I dont recall saying anything about the southern states, but lets not forget who our racist POTUS was. You are getting too far off course here, MLK wanted people judged on the content of their character. Brown, by that measure was absolutely a thug, its the left treating him differently based on his race-making excuses and such.
    That's what I thought. You don't want to discuss things such as the Southern Strategy, because it would undermine your arguments, such as the fact that MLK wanted to dismantle the institutions of power and privilege that benefited whites at the expense of blacks. Oh, and your boy Ronald Reagan was a big fan of it, too.
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    Re: Ferguson protesters shut down malls, trains on Black Friday

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    That's what I thought. You don't want to discuss things such as the Southern Strategy, because it would undermine your arguments, such as the fact that MLK wanted to dismantle the institutions of power and privilege that benefited whites at the expense of blacks. Oh, and your boy Ronald Reagan was a big fan of it, too.
    What you thought was that you could derail the discussion again. Nobody cares.

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    Re: Ferguson protesters shut down malls, trains on Black Friday

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    What you thought was that you could derail the discussion again. Nobody cares.
    You were the one who brought MLK into this discussion and then ran away fast, once I called your bluff. And FWIW, whites constantly misinterpret the MLK quote you referenced. It had everything to do with dismantling anti-black power structures. (You are in favor of that happening, right?)
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    Re: Ferguson protesters shut down malls, trains on Black Friday

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    You were the one who brought MLK into this discussion and then ran away fast, once I called your bluff. And FWIW, whites constantly misinterpret the MLK quote you referenced. It had everything to do with dismantling anti-black power structures. (You are in favor of that happening, right?)
    His fault is obvious. He pretends there is equal opportunity. He pretends we have reached a mountaintop that only exists metaphorically. That basic (and horribly ignorant) presumption is the basis of all his misconceptions about race and the role it plays in society today.

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    Re: Ferguson protesters shut down malls, trains on Black Friday

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    His fault is obvious. He pretends there is equal opportunity. He pretends we have reached a mountaintop that only exists metaphorically. That basic (and horribly ignorant) presumption is the basis of all his misconceptions about race and the role it plays in society today.
    Yup. It's a lot more expedient to deal with or ignore racism for those of us who aren't directly affected by it.
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    Re: Ferguson protesters shut down malls, trains on Black Friday

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Yup. It's a lot more expedient to deal with or ignore racism for those of us who aren't directly affected by it.
    Such a false belief is key to racist propaganda, it forms the basis from which all conspiracy is invented.

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