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    Re: Wilson Leaves Lawn Half Mowed

    Quote Originally Posted by contrapositive View Post
    No, cops are trained to eliminate the threat first. Could Wilson have de-escalated the situation? Probably. But that does NOT mean it was realistic to do so.

    I'm not relying on any of Wilson's witnesses: notice at no point that I referred to any of his witnesses. I focus mainly on the tangible, irrefutable evidence. But if it pleases you, I do confer the same amount of doubt to witnesses supporting Wilson's side (including himself) as I do to those supporting the version of events that Wilson murdered Brown in cold blood. And again, 8-10 is quite close, but further is still close and is in a dangerous zone.



    You're missing my point. It doesn't matter if Brown was armed or not, he still was a threat when he rushed at Wilson. He didn't need a gun to be dangerous. You're holding Wilson to the same standard of Navy Seals or SAS. He's a professional, but not that kind of professional. Should cops be trained to that degree? That's a normative question, one immaterial to the point I'm making: he's just a cop. He's human too. Everyone can say he should have done X, Y or Z looking back on the situation from the comfort of their chairs: but unless you were in his shoes, you'll never know what thoughts were running through his head.

    I do see the point you are trying to make (don't think I am ignoring your points), and I agree to some extent. I'm not saying that killing anyone is a good thing or a right thing (maybe except in some cases, like members of ISIS), and it's a tragedy that someone lost his life, but Wilson did what was necessary to protect himself. Wilson won't walk away "free" - he'll be hunted for the rest of his life and still might/most likely will get nailed with civil rights charges.
    Oh please tell us what the threat was with two guys walking in the street, I'll wait for the answer on that one.

    Have you ever driven through a all black neighborhood on a warm day or evening? or, would you be too afraid to. Sounds to me like Wilson wanted to assert his authority, then escalated the situation. Yup, he should have been a Walmart security guard.

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    Re: Wilson Leaves Lawn Half Mowed

    Quote Originally Posted by contrapositive View Post
    Those are your opinions. And that is quite clearly a you problem.

    Wilson will be hunted for the rest of his life, I agree. But he's not an evil man. And it disgusts me that you think he is, based on nothing more than your narrow-minded and ugly narrative to which you are religiously sticking to.

    And what was wrong about my suggestions to you? Clearly, you could benefit from spending a bit more time being careful when reading, before going on a baseless, foul tirade again.
    I don't have a problem, you seem to have a problem with other people's opinions. I have some advice for you, get over yourself.

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    Re: Wilson Leaves Lawn Half Mowed

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Oh please tell us what the threat was with two guys walking in the street, I'll wait for the answer on that one.

    Have you ever driven through a all black neighborhood on a warm day or evening? or, would you be too afraid to. Sounds to me like Wilson wanted to assert his authority, then escalated the situation. Yup, he should have been a Walmart security guard.
    Nobody is saying that they were a threat. Stop making stuff up. It was just a simple request, like, "can you please move your coffee mug to the middle of the table? "

    Yes, I have. No, Wilson was doing his job, as a cop, patrolling the neighborhoods. He asked two people to move onto the sidewalk, an innocuous request, and then noticed Brown matched the robbery description. Then it was Brown who escalated the situation, by assaulting Wilson. Wilson shooting to protect himself was not escalating the situation. That blame rests squarely on Brown's shoulders. Not even close to what you are suggesting. I honestly can't even believe I have to educate you on this.

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    Re: Wilson Leaves Lawn Half Mowed

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    I don't have a problem, you seem to have a problem with other people's opinions. I have some advice for you, get over yourself.
    I do, when those opinions are offensive, disgusting, dangerous and wrong. You clearly do have a problem, and you need to sort yourself out, buddy.

    And no, speak for yourself. You're the one who misread my post, got caught, had their little ego offended, and then threw insults and slurs over a political debate forum. All this detracts away from (a) you are wrong about Wilson and (b) you are wrong about the entire case.

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    Re: Wilson Leaves Lawn Half Mowed

    Quote Originally Posted by contrapositive View Post
    I do, when those opinions are offensive, disgusting, dangerous and wrong. You clearly do have a problem, and you need to sort yourself out, buddy.

    And no, speak for yourself. You're the one who misread my post, got caught, had their little ego offended, and then threw insults and slurs over a political debate forum. All this detracts away from (a) you are wrong about Wilson and (b) you are wrong about the entire case.
    I knew you had a problem.

    Nope, I'm not wrong, I am entitled to my opinions, just as you are.

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    Re: Wilson Leaves Lawn Half Mowed

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Its not simple, its actually quite complex. Let's start with the fact that you have no basis to declare him a thug, other than that "thug" has become a euphemism for black man.
    hahaha! Bull ****...."Reporter Charles Johnson of Gotnews.com announced recently that Mike Brown probably did have a criminal record, even though his family says otherwise. He was contacted by at least two sources in law enforcement who swear he had sealed juvenile record. So he filed a lawsuit to get to the truth. It appears that not only was he arrested for 2nd degree murder, but he may have been a member of the Crips gang!"

    Read more: BOMBSHELL: #Ferguson Mike Brown Was Murderer & Gang Member Thug - The Political Insider

    The question is whether Wilson could have acted differently such that Micheal Brown would be alive today.... alive not only to celebrate Thanksgiving with his family, but alive to tell his story, which has not been told.
    We know his story...



    Its simple, because to far too many, all inner city black kids are thugs and all white cops are peacekeeping heros.
    No one has said that...Weak attempt at a strawman...But it does speak volumes about you...

    The world has one less thug; must be a good day.
    That's true...

    Sorry, but life ain't that simple.
    Another strawman...No one said it was...But, the truth now that it is known, makes it clear.
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    Re: Wilson Leaves Lawn Half Mowed

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Oh please tell us what the threat was with two guys walking in the street, I'll wait for the answer on that one.
    It's not that they were necessarily a threat, but a safety risk...To themselves or others...It is within the cops authority, and in fact is his job to tell them to get off the street...They are at that moment, impeding traffic.

    Have you ever driven through a all black neighborhood on a warm day or evening? or, would you be too afraid to. Sounds to me like Wilson wanted to assert his authority, then escalated the situation. Yup, he should have been a Walmart security guard.


    "On Canfield Drive, First Encounter
    Wilson leaves the scene of the sick call and encounters Michael Brown and Dorian Johnson on Canfield Drive.
    "Josie," a purported friend of the family, relays what she says Wilson's "significant other" told her about what he said happened next. The account matches what Wilson has told investigators, a source tells CNN.
    Josie: "They were walking in the middle of the street. He rolled his window down and said, 'Come on guys. Get out of the street.' They refused to and were yelling back, saying we're almost where we're going and there was some cussing involved."
    Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson also said Wilson approached Brown because he was "walking down the middle of the street, blocking traffic."

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    "Tussle, first shot
    Josie: "So he goes in reverse back to them. He tries to get out of his car. They slam his door shut violently. I think he said Michael [Brown] did. Then he opens his car again and tries to get out and as he stands up Michael just bum rushes him, and just shoves him back into his car, punches him in the face and then of course Darren grabs for his gun and Michael grabs the gun. At one point he's got the gun totally turned against his hip and then he shoves it away and the gun goes off."
    "The genesis of this was a physical confrontation," St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar said.
    Wilson tries to exit his vehicle but Brown pushes him back into the car, according to the preliminary investigation, Belmar said.
    Brown physically assaults the police officer and there is a struggle over the officer's gun, Belmar said.
    A shot is fired inside the police car.
    Brown's wounds included a shot to the hand from close range, the official autopsy found, according to a report in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch newspaper, the source of which was confirmed as genuine to CNN by a county official.
    Brown's blood was found on Wilson's uniform and inside the police car, law enforcement sources told CNN.
    At least one of the wounds and the blood could be consistent with a struggle at the police car."

    What happened when Michael Brown met Officer Darren Wilson - CNN.com

    Now that the GJ is over we know that Johnson was if nothing else a liar, trying to protect his friends honor with his tall tale...It was clear that Brown not only attacked the officer, but tried to get his gun.

    You may not like that Wilson had not only the duty after that confrontation to pursue and arrest Brown, but that when Brown turned and came back at Wilson, after already being assaulted, had the duty to protect himself from another attack...Brown made some poor decisions that day, and unfortunately caused his own death, but make no mistake, Brown was responsible for his own death. No one else.
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    Re: Wilson Leaves Lawn Half Mowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Perhaps the black community in Ferguson feels that is what they have been experiencing in the form of an institutionalized mob. Who knows. Maybe it will cause cops to think twice before they kill someone whether their authority to use deadly force is worth the price of not trying a different approach.
    Which different approach would that be? Brown was first shot while attempting to wrest the gun away from Wilson. Then when Brown charged toward Wilson, Wilson gave him every opportunity to stop and put his hands up. When Brown kept coming, he shot him. Brown brought about his own death.

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    Re: Wilson Leaves Lawn Half Mowed

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    What is more ignorant is a cop telling two young adults to get off of the street, and onto the sidewalk on a street with little to no traffic, authority assertion on his part, then escalating it into a confrontation, then shooting that person who defies what might be some type of higher authority.


    Your statements regarding defying lawful orders being a license to kill are just dumb. For one thing, that didn't happen here. Brown got shot for assaulting a police officer. Once inside the car, and again when he reversed and charged the car a second time. Note that autopsies showed no entry wounds in Brown's back. Unless Wilson was using boomerang bullets, Brown was coming back toward the officer.

    What's even worse is people supporting cops who gun down people who defy their orders, now that's stupidity.

    Wanton slaughter of other races I am? what and who the **** are you to say that to someone you do not know, who the **** are you? some higher ****ing power or something?
    A lot of minconstruing of what we now know in this post. It would hardly be unusual for a LEO to ask a couple of people walking in the middle of the street to get on the sidewalk. I don't know the law in Ferguson, but in many areas streets are for driving, sidewalks are for walking. There was traffic on the road, unless you don't count police cars as traffic.

    Wilson did not escalate the situation at that point. He let the matter drop and drove off. It was after he received the BOLO concerning a theft at his location, and realized that the two he had just confronted fit the description of the alleged thiefs that he backed up and readdressed the two. Then the confrontation started. Wilson was still in his car, and at least one shot hit Brown while Brown was reaching into the car. Wilson had injuries, indicating that Brown's intent was more than just offering Wilson one of the cigars he had just stolen.
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    Re: Wilson Leaves Lawn Half Mowed

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    I knew you had a problem.

    Nope, I'm not wrong, I am entitled to my opinions, just as you are.
    Cute, trying to insist I have a problem.

    You are entitled to your opinion.....which is coincidentally and objectively, wrong.

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