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    Re: Wilson Leaves Lawn Half Mowed

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Bwaahaahaahaa!

    You might want to re-read the evidence again to correct those distances.
    I have, have you??? Apparently not.

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    Re: Wilson Leaves Lawn Half Mowed

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    Wilson will never return to cut the other half of the lawn. He may not choose to leave Ferguson, but the city and the PD will choose to relieve him of duty.

    Wilson has become a liability. One the city can no longer afford. If he stayed he would be part to lawsuit after lawsuit and the city wants no part. Wilson has cost the city millions and they can not afford anymore.

    No municipality or PD will touch wilson with a 10' pole. He is a walking lawsuit.

    He doesn't have to leave Ferguson, but he will have to leave.
    It seems you feel that is justified? Because he did the right thing. He, in self defense, shot a thug who tried to kill him.
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    Re: Wilson Leaves Lawn Half Mowed

    Quote Originally Posted by smb View Post
    First off, your assumption that he was coming at Wilson and about 8 to 10 feet away is based off of Wilson's own testimony (not exactly objective), and one eyewitness whom was 50 - 100 yards away from the incident. The eyewitnesses that were close to the event state he was not moving toward Wilson and he was not reaching for anything.
    Eyewitness testimony is incredibly unreliable. You're also talking about the eyewitness testimonies that were either altered by the "witnesses" to match the physical reports, or recanted completely - in short: meaningless. What gives you reason to believe their entire testimony when important parts of it have been contradicted by the physical evidence?

    Quote Originally Posted by smb View Post
    Second, the kid had basketball shorts on. This is indisputable fact. There is no way he could have anything heavier than a wallet in his shorts without them falling down. Much less a weapon of any kind.
    It doesn't matter; you're grasping at straws. Unarmed =/= not dangerous. He was enormous. If you've ever been in a fight or played a physical sport you would know just how dangerous someone of that size can be.

    Quote Originally Posted by smb View Post
    Fourth, even if the wounded kid was "charging" Wilson and was 8 - 10 feet away from him the idea that killing him was right thing to do in that situation is still a joke.

    On this occasion there infinite number of possible points when Wilson could have de-escalated the situation and prevented the death of an unarmed kid. Whether or not his actions were criminal or not I am not sure but to say they were the "right" thing to do. That is is joke given the evidence in this case.
    No. 8 to 10ft is not a safe distance by any stretch of the reasonable imagination. Remember, this all happened very quickly - Wilson would not have had the same liberty to evaluate and assess every single second carefully as you have now. It's so easy to speculate when you've never been in any similar situation.

    Of course there are many points in any kind of situation that could de-escalate the situation. It doesn't mean they are realistic, or feasible. Wilson did what was necessary to prevent himself from being killed or seriously injured. That makes his actions "right."

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    Re: Wilson Leaves Lawn Half Mowed

    Quote Originally Posted by contrapositive View Post
    Eyewitness testimony is incredibly unreliable. You're also talking about the eyewitness testimonies that were either altered by the "witnesses" to match the physical reports, or recanted completely - in short: meaningless. What gives you reason to believe their entire testimony when important parts of it have been contradicted by the physical evidence?



    It doesn't matter; you're grasping at straws. Unarmed =/= not dangerous. He was enormous. If you've ever been in a fight or played a physical sport you would know just how dangerous someone of that size can be.



    No. 8 to 10ft is not a safe distance by any stretch of the reasonable imagination. Remember, this all happened very quickly - Wilson would not have had the same liberty to evaluate and assess every single second carefully as you have now. It's so easy to speculate when you've never been in any similar situation.

    Of course there are many points in any kind of situation that could de-escalate the situation. It doesn't mean they are realistic, or feasible. Wilson did what was necessary to prevent himself from being killed or seriously injured. That makes his actions "right."
    That is exactly what we train police to do. It was both realistic and feasible for him to de-escalate the situation. It is what he is paid to do.

    Eyewitness testimony is unreliable. I would like for you to put the same amount of reliability on Wilson's eyewitness account as you seem to place on others inability to recall what they said. As far as eyewitnesses later recanting or changing their story...not anything in this case that was out of the ordinary in that regard. Still the preponderance of eyewitness statements puts Brown in a defenseless position a lot further than 8-10 feet away.

    Saying I am grasping at straws when I state that he was wearing basketball shorts is just plain ignorance on your part. The crux of the issue is whether Wilson had a REASONABLE fear for his life. A reasonable person would be able to tell rather quickly if a person dressed like Brown is armed or not. To boot Wilson is trained observer. It is a no-brainer that he should have been able to tell that he was unarmed. I am not saying that Wilson wasn't piss afraid...but he should not have been and she should not have reasonably feared for his life against an unarmed multiple shot wounded man. To suggest he did the right thing is just plain dumb.

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    Re: Wilson Leaves Lawn Half Mowed

    Quote Originally Posted by contrapositive View Post
    You are saying to don't need to support any of your statements below? You're just assuming them to be true? How ignorant.



    I don't get why it is so difficult for people to admit that Brown was a thug. You have VIDEO evidence of him exhibiting violent, thug-like behavior, and yet you are so quick to give him a pass. But when you have no evidence, in fact large evidence to the contrary, of Wilson being a murderer, you are so quick to accuse him as an evil, racist, wanton slaughterer of other races. Why? Can you not be objective?
    What is more ignorant is a cop telling two young adults to get off of the street, and onto the sidewalk on a street with little to no traffic, authority assertion on his part, then escalating it into a confrontation, then shooting that person who defies what might be some type of higher authority.

    What's even worse is people supporting cops who gun down people who defy their orders, now that's stupidity.

    Wanton slaughter of other races I am? what and who the **** are you to say that to someone you do not know, who the **** are you? some higher ****ing power or something?

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    Re: Wilson Leaves Lawn Half Mowed

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Yes, legally he has been exonerated.

    Any moron can sue anybody civilly without cause or reason.
    I the court of public opinion, Wilson violated someone's rights.

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    Re: Wilson Leaves Lawn Half Mowed

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    What is more ignorant is a cop telling two young adults to get off of the street, and onto the sidewalk on a street with little to no traffic, authority assertion on his part, then escalating it into a confrontation, then shooting that person who defies what might be some type of higher authority.

    What's even worse is people supporting cops who gun down people who defy their orders, now that's stupidity.
    No. It's not. It may be finicky, but it's not unreasonable and it's certainly not ignorant. It was a reasonable request. You're just grasping at straws.
    Oh, so you think Wilson thinking that Brown to be the robbery suspect, and trying to stop him was "escalating the confrontation?" When it was his job to do so?
    Cute. You still think Wilson shot Brown because he defied his request to get off the street? You patently know nothing about this case. Stop pretending that you do.

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Wanton slaughter of other races I am? what and who the **** are you to say that to someone you do not know, who the **** are you? some higher ****ing power or something?
    Calm down, honey. I didn't say that you were a wanton slaughterer, I said that you are quick to accuse Wilson of being an evil, racist, wanton slaughterer. You should read more carefully. That's some general advice: you should look up the whole case again, not only from coverage from MSNBC or CNN or Fox, but from various different independent sources, and read carefully for yourself.

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    Re: Wilson Leaves Lawn Half Mowed

    Quote Originally Posted by contrapositive View Post
    No. It's not. It may be finicky, but it's not unreasonable and it's certainly not ignorant. It was a reasonable request. You're just grasping at straws.
    Oh, so you think Wilson thinking that Brown to be the robbery suspect, and trying to stop him was "escalating the confrontation?" When it was his job to do so?
    Cute. You still think Wilson shot Brown because he defied his request to get off the street? You patently know nothing about this case. Stop pretending that you do.



    Calm down, honey. I didn't say that you were a wanton slaughterer, I said that you are quick to accuse Wilson of being an evil, racist, wanton slaughterer. You should read more carefully. That's some general advice: you should look up the whole case again, not only from coverage from MSNBC or CNN or Fox, but from various different independent sources, and read carefully for yourself.
    I think Wilson is guilty of violating people's civil rights to come and go freely, even more, he is guilty of homicide. He should have been a security guard at a Walmart store. Furthermore, he just might only be able to mingle among white people for his entire life, he'll need to carry a gun where ever he goes, and he'll always be looking for someone to confront him. He picked they way he want's to live, let him live it now.

    You shouldn't be telling other people what to do.

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    Re: Wilson Leaves Lawn Half Mowed

    Quote Originally Posted by smb View Post
    That is exactly what we train police to do. It was both realistic and feasible for him to de-escalate the situation. It is what he is paid to do.

    Eyewitness testimony is unreliable. I would like for you to put the same amount of reliability on Wilson's eyewitness account as you seem to place on others inability to recall what they said. As far as eyewitnesses later recanting or changing their story...not anything in this case that was out of the ordinary in that regard. Still the preponderance of eyewitness statements puts Brown in a defenseless position a lot further than 8-10 feet away.
    No, cops are trained to eliminate the threat first. Could Wilson have de-escalated the situation? Probably. But that does NOT mean it was realistic to do so.

    I'm not relying on any of Wilson's witnesses: notice at no point that I referred to any of his witnesses. I focus mainly on the tangible, irrefutable evidence. But if it pleases you, I do confer the same amount of doubt to witnesses supporting Wilson's side (including himself) as I do to those supporting the version of events that Wilson murdered Brown in cold blood. And again, 8-10 is quite close, but further is still close and is in a dangerous zone.

    Quote Originally Posted by smb View Post
    Saying I am grasping at straws when I state that he was wearing basketball shorts is just plain ignorance on your part. The crux of the issue is whether Wilson had a REASONABLE fear for his life. A reasonable person would be able to tell rather quickly if a person dressed like Brown is armed or not. To boot Wilson is trained observer. It is a no-brainer that he should have been able to tell that he was unarmed. I am not saying that Wilson wasn't piss afraid...but he should not have been and she should not have reasonably feared for his life against an unarmed multiple shot wounded man. To suggest he did the right thing is just plain dumb.
    You're missing my point. It doesn't matter if Brown was armed or not, he still was a threat when he rushed at Wilson. He didn't need a gun to be dangerous. You're holding Wilson to the same standard of Navy Seals or SAS. He's a professional, but not that kind of professional. Should cops be trained to that degree? That's a normative question, one immaterial to the point I'm making: he's just a cop. He's human too. Everyone can say he should have done X, Y or Z looking back on the situation from the comfort of their chairs: but unless you were in his shoes, you'll never know what thoughts were running through his head.

    I do see the point you are trying to make (don't think I am ignoring your points), and I agree to some extent. I'm not saying that killing anyone is a good thing or a right thing (maybe except in some cases, like members of ISIS), and it's a tragedy that someone lost his life, but Wilson did what was necessary to protect himself. Wilson won't walk away "free" - he'll be hunted for the rest of his life and still might/most likely will get nailed with civil rights charges.

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    Re: Wilson Leaves Lawn Half Mowed

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    I think Wilson is guilty of violating people's civil rights to come and go freely, even more, he is guilty of homicide. He should have been a security guard at a Walmart store. Furthermore, he just might only be able to mingle among white people for his entire life, he'll need to carry a gun where ever he goes, and he'll always be looking for someone to confront him. He picked they way he want's to live, let him live it now.

    You shouldn't be telling other people what to do.
    Those are your opinions. And that is quite clearly a you problem.

    Wilson will be hunted for the rest of his life, I agree. But he's not an evil man. And it disgusts me that you think he is, based on nothing more than your narrow-minded and ugly narrative to which you are religiously sticking to.

    And what was wrong about my suggestions to you? Clearly, you could benefit from spending a bit more time being careful when reading, before going on a baseless, foul tirade again.

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