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Oil at $75 Means Patches of Texas Shale Turn Unprofitable

No, it is a pretty matter of fact description of reality. When something matters to us, we do something about it. We aren't doing anything serious about Crimea. Hence, it doesn't matter to us.

But I think that the lady doth protest too much?

Yup, the lady doth protest too much.

The President is weak. Because he doesn't care. Because being tough would require effort, and he's simply not willing to devote it. It's not on his list of priorities.

What? Still putting forward that old hag, worn out, stank sophist filth? It's really diabolical what you and that George Will crowd are trying to do. Here is George Will openly talking about neutering the President of the United States:

George Will: GOP is missing an opportunity to neuter president | CJOnline.com

That's right. You people talk about neutering Obama like he is some animal. Perhaps you think black people are animals. Imagine if Al Sharpton had talked about neutering George W Bush, there would be an uproar. But because Obama is a black male, people like you support it and join the crowd in piling on. He even said it in another column here:

The debt deal and Obama

Obama is not weak, it's your hero Netanyahu, Bandar "Bush", and George Will who are weak and are merely trying to evoke a response from the President to prove he is not weak, just like a woman who cannot do something herself, will accuse a man of being weak to get him to do something he would not otherwise do. But President Obama, the very intelligent first black President of the United States of America, cool as a cucumber is not falling for your sterile, old hag, worn out, stank weak rhetoric. So go peddle that bullcrap somewhere else.
 
Our "sanctions" aren't doing squat. Our "Sanctions" are us freezing the bank accounts of a few senior leaders whom we are accusing of being naughty. Russia laughed when they heard that that was what we were doing in response.

....are you seriously blaming the sanctions for the fact that an oil-dependent economy is hurting during a sharp reduction in oil prices, or that geopolitical instability harms trade?

Please. Show me how freezing a few bank accounts has shaped "the value of the ruble and capital flight". "Serious Consequences". Yeah. Just like they were for the Syrian Red Line.

More stank, old hag, worn out sophistry

Russia to fall into recession amid sanctions and plunging oil price | World news | The Guardian

Russia will plunge into recession next year under the weight of lower oil prices and western sanctions over Ukraine, the economy ministry warned.

Gross domestic product is expected to shrink by 0.8%, a sharp reversal from the earlier official forecast of 1.2% growth for the year.

Alexei Vedev, the Russian deputy economy minister, said: “We now assume that sanctions will remain in place throughout the whole of 2015. This for us means closed capital markets for the majority of Russian companies and banks, as well as unfavourable conditions for investment – uncertainty and a lack of security.”

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The ministry, which had previously assumed sanctions would be lifted next year, also cut its forecast for the 2015 oil price to an average $80 a barrel, down from $100 a barrel, cutting revenues from Russia’s main exports of oil and gas.
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It is also expecting capital flight from Russia to continue amid heightened uncertainty. The ministry increased its forecast for 2014 net capital outflows to $125bn from $100bn, and to $90bn in 2015 from $50bn.”Uncertainty and lack of economic confidence caused by harsher geopolitics have led to a prediction of higher capital flight and lower investment,” the ministry said in a report briefly posted on its website before it was removed.

Here's another

Sanctions Biting Russia

Financial experts say Russia’s most pressing problem is not the sinking ruble, despite its potential to prompt a run on the banks, nor the falling price of oil, though the annual budget was based on a price of $96 per barrel, which is now hovering around $70.

“This is all peanuts compared to the financing crisis,” said Vladimir Milov, a former deputy energy minister turned opposition politician.

Nearly $700 billion is owed to Western banks, economists said, much of it by the giant state-run companies that constitute the heart of the Russian economy.
But sanctions imposed by the United States and Europe over Russia’s annexation of Crimea and adventurism in southeastern Ukraine have blocked access to Western financing.

So again, what you have done is spin another stank, old wives tale.
 
I haven't read through the entire thread, so pardon the repetition.....

The world is squeezing Putin right now, and we're benefitting with much lower gas prices. Russia produces nothing outside of oil, vodka, caviar, and mail-order brides. They are a tremendously non-creative country that knows how to do nothing but sell off its natural resources. By dropping oil to these prices, Russia can't pay its debt or operate its government and military. This is driving their already awful economy further into third-world territory.

It's scary because Putin will not turn democratic like Russia did in the 80s. That still burns him inside. This guy will do virtually anything to protect and promote Mother Russia.
 
'With crude at $75 a barrel, the price Goldman Sachs Group Inc. says will be the average in the first three months of next year, 19 U.S. shale regions are no longer profitable, according to data compiled by Bloomberg New Energy Finance.'

Oil at $75 Means Patches of Texas Shale Turn Unprofitable - Bloomberg

Shale Profits at Risk - Bloomberg


I (and others) have said for a while that shale oil is not the dream solution that the media is making it out to be.

All extractive industries (oil, gas, coal and other mineral minings) have extraction costs. Each of the items being extracted is subject to wild price fluctuations. The two work to make extractive industries and wild industry where fortunes are won and lost weekly.

Shale oil is not viable in a low oil price economy because its extraction costs are high. That said, it remains a viable long term resource because 1) the price of oil will climb again and 2) the extraction costs will continue to fall with technology improvements.

While shale may not be the answer this week; it will likely be an answer next week (figuratively speaking).
 
cpwill said:
No, I am talking about the entertaining tendency of some to both A) instantly decry any perceived attempt by the US to dominate any other nation in the pursuit of our national interests and
Ah! So you admit that the Victoria Nuland's activities in Ukraine were an attempt to other nations. You let your sophist guard down.

I'm just going to enjoy the irony of you accusing others of having reading issues, but at the same time apparently not understanding the meaning of the word "perceived" or the need to insert the word "dominate" in your sentence. :)

As for the rest of it :shrug: Most of what you are putting out is ignorant and bile. No one here is your homie, MS, no one here is impressed that you can use ignorant language like Stank Hag. Your apparent dependence on trying to dis others only make you look immature and stupid. There's no one biting his knuckle and calling out "Oh NO He DIDN"T" in the background, MS. But your apparent ageism and misogyny is noted.

So pulling out the fact claims:

1. the idea that looking to neuter Obama from Will was referencing a physical neutering is belied by the actual text of the article you cite. Firstly, authors do not choose their headlines - newspaper editors do. So Will didn't pick that title. Secondly, the word "neuter" does not appear in the text that Will actually wrote. His argument was that Republicans should vote to raise the debt ceiling instead of risking shutting down the government, and that that Republicans who want to do those things are giving Obama handy rhetorical tools.

2. It's ironic that you then suggest that this is somehow related to racism, and then argue that had Al Sharpton talked about neutering (physically) Bush, there would have been an uproar. This is ironic because Jesse Jackson actually DID say that he wanted to PHYSICALLY neuter President Obama. Is Jesse Jackson racist against black people? Was he talking about Obama like he was an animal? Or are you seeking to be outraged without bothering to engage your frontal lobe?


OUR sanctions are not WESTERN sanctions. You will note, if you consult a map, that there are quite a few nations in that category, and they include many countries who are in the EU, which has actually done some good in this regard - they are targeting the SOE's you mention. OUR sanctions are mostly centered around freezing some bank accounts of some of the leadership. We are not (for example) stating that we will not trade with people who purchase Russian oil, or applying the kind of actual sanctions that we do with countries such as Iran and Saddam-era Iraq. And yes, the slide in oil prices is absolutely hurting Russia, I agree.

However, the Saudi decision was and remains focused on American production, and was not the result of any kind of secret deal to bring the US into the counter-ISIL fight.
 
MildSteel said:
1. Jack Matlock - US ambassador to the Soviet Union under George H W Bush
2. Henry Kissinger - US Secretary of State under Gerald Ford
3. David Stockman - Head of Office of Management and Budget under Ronald Reagan
4. Helen Caldicott - Nobel Laureate
5. Francis Boyle - Professor University of Illinois
6. Lech Walsea - Former President of Poland

Now this is an interesting list. I started looking into it, mostly because I was surprised to see Kissingers' name up there. As near as I can tell, this is what is being referenced:

... Kissinger argued that the West – with its strategy of pulling Ukraine into the orbit of the European Union – was responsible for the crisis by failing to understand Russian sensitivity over Ukraine and making the grave mistake of quickly pushing the confrontation beyond dialogue.

But Kissinger also faulted Putin for his reaction to the crisis. “This does not mean the Russian response was appropriate,” Kissinger said.

Still, Kissinger told Der Spiegel that “a resumption of the Cold War would be a historic tragedy. If a conflict is avoidable, on a basis reflecting morality and security, one should try to avoid it. … We have to remember that Russia is an important part of the international system, and therefore useful in solving all sorts of other crises, for example in the agreement on nuclear proliferation with Iran or over Syria. This has to have preference over a tactical escalation in a specific case."...


I cannot find a single instance of Kissinger stating that a U.S. intervention in Ukraine would have meant or could have meant a nuclear war. All I can find him saying is that we risk sliding back into another Cold War in general, given degrading relations. Even Russian propaganda is not attempting to put the words in his mouth that you are. What I suspect you have done is taken a list of people who generally think that US intervention in Ukraine could go badly, and treated it as a list of people who support the ridiculous claim that sending lethal aid to the Ukrainians (for example, as we did to the Afghan fighters who were opposing the Soviets) would result in a nuclear conflagration. It's also worth noting that Caldicott is a global anti-nuke activist who is not actually a Nobel recipient - but was rather part of an organization (the International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War) that was. A random university professor is, well, sort of laughable. I see you and raise you one Warren Churchill. Jack Matlock doesn't seem to have said that the response would have been nuclear war, either (in fact he thinks Russia should leave Crimea), although he is saying:

...Obama’s “warning” to Putin was ill-advised. Whatever slim hope that Moscow might avoid overt military intervention in Ukraine disappeared when Obama in effect threw down a gauntlet and challenged him. This was not just a mistake of political judgment—it was a failure to understand human psychology—unless, of course, he actually wanted a Russian intervention, which is hard for me to believe....

Which is probably about right. Especially in a post-"Syrian Red Lines" environment. The closest he comes to saying what you are saying he claims is:

...Entirely aside from the principles of the UN Charter, international law, and the Helsinki Final Act, Russia has a treaty commitment to the United States and the United Kingdom to respect Ukraine’s territorial integrity. What it received in return was quite substantial, the possession (for destruction) of the nuclear weapons on Ukrainian territory. Does Russia really want to violate arrangements that allowed us to reduce the danger of nuclear weapons threatening us all? Does Russia think that its current actions will encourage or discourage nuclear proliferation? After all, it will be argued that if Ukraine had not returned its nukes to Russia, Russia would not dare try to grab its territory...

which puts the blame on Russian actions and also doesn't claim that nuclear war was plausible in the event of U.S. aid to the Ukraine.

So.. yeah. Apparently not so much.
 
Oh. It's probably also worth noting that we will likely increase pressure and focus on Russia in the future, including under this administration. Just too late. As is unfortunately all too usual.
 
North Dakota shale is still profitable at $60 a barrel. Oil has got a long way to go before it really impacts the fracking process.
 
All extractive industries (oil, gas, coal and other mineral minings) have extraction costs. Each of the items being extracted is subject to wild price fluctuations. The two work to make extractive industries and wild industry where fortunes are won and lost weekly.

Shale oil is not viable in a low oil price economy because its extraction costs are high. That said, it remains a viable long term resource because 1) the price of oil will climb again and 2) the extraction costs will continue to fall with technology improvements.

While shale may not be the answer this week; it will likely be an answer next week (figuratively speaking).

Sure, but what is to stop the Saudi's from tanking the price again (say by increasing production drastically) so as to damage the U.S. shale oil industry?
This episode has got to be putting a scare into potential investors in the U.S. shale oil industry. They realize now that their economic future is even less in their hands then they thought it was 6 months ago.
 
North Dakota shale is still profitable at $60 a barrel. Oil has got a long way to go before it really impacts the fracking process.

That's excellent to hear. Do you have a source for it?
 
Sure, but what is to stop the Saudi's from tanking the price again (say by increasing production drastically) so as to damage the U.S. shale oil industry?
This episode has got to be putting a scare into potential investors in the U.S. shale oil industry. They realize now that their economic future is even less in their hands then they thought it was 6 months ago.
how far would they have to go for how long? That is, I think, rather the $100 Bn question
 
I'm just going to enjoy the irony of you accusing others of having reading issues, but at the same time apparently not understanding the meaning of the word "perceived" or the need to insert the word "dominate" in your sentence.

Well I hate to burst your little bubble of twisted enjoyment but I did indeed note you use of the word PERCEIVED. And your statement was an admission that the purpose of Victoria Nuland's strong arm tactics in Ukraine was an attempt to dominate other countries, and IF you indeed follow foreign policy, as you claim, then surely you are familiar with Zbigniew Brzezinski's (surely there is no need to state who he is to someone as astute on foreign policy as you) writing on Ukraine where he states

“Ukraine, a new and important space on the Eurasian chessboard, is a geopolitical pivot because its very existence as an independent country helps to transform Russia. Without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be a Eurasian empire.”

SO IF AS YOU CLAIM YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH FOREIGN POLICY YOU ARE CERTAINLY AWARE OF THIS POSITION. Therefore your admission that there is a perception that the US is perceived as attempting to dominate other countries in Ukraine, is an admission that you are aware of this position, and therefore you are certainly aware that is exactly what Victoria Nuland was doing by her strong arm activities in Ukraine. So you betcha, I read the word PERCEIVED, so there was no lack of reading skills whatsoever and my response stands.

As far as the "dominate", I saw that after I posted the response, but saw no need to edit it as the intent was clear. So again, you have spun an old worn out hag wives tale.
 
As for the rest of it Most of what you are putting out is ignorant and bile.

Funny you should say that because you have demonstrated your ignorance and have posted vile, ignorant crap again and again in this thread.

No one here is your homie, MS, no one here is impressed that you can use ignorant language like Stank Hag. Your apparent dependence on trying to dis others only make you look immature and stupid. There's no one biting his knuckle and calling out "Oh NO He DIDN"T" in the background, MS.

What the hell makes you think I would want you as a homie, whatever that is, or even that I said that you were my "homie." What you do is come on here with your snobbish, arrogant, sophist filth, twist and distort the words of others, and insult the President of the United States time and time again by saying he is weak and that he does not care. But it is you who don't care, because what you really care about primarily is the interests of Israel, and you want to paint the President of the United States as weak because he will not overthrow Assad like Israel wants, because, in the best interests he is trying to negotiate a deal with Iran on it's nuclear program, because that is something Israel does not want, and because you are moronic enough to believe that putting Marines in Ukraine and starting WWIII is what it means by showing strength in Ukraine. So yeah, that crap is old stank hag BULLCRAP, and you betcha I'm going to point it out.

But your apparent ageism and misogyny is noted.

Oh please. Talk about immature, bile and ignorant. That statement was a whopper.
 
Well I hate to burst your little bubble of twisted enjoyment but I did indeed note you use of the word PERCEIVED.

ah. You just failed to realize its' meaning?

And your statement was an admission that the purpose of Victoria Nuland's strong arm tactics in Ukraine was an attempt to dominate other countries

This is where it is funny that you like to accuse others of having problems with reading comprehension.

Here is what I said:
cpwill said:
No, I am talking about the entertaining tendency of some to both A) instantly decry any perceived attempt by the US to dominate any other nation in the pursuit of our national interests and B) insist that geopolitical opponents of the U.S. nonetheless have a right to do so.

Juxtaposing perceptions by some that the US is dominating other nations (and their decrial of it) against their defense of the rights of other nations to do so. No where in it does that state that A) the perceptions are accurate or that B) they are accurate with particular regard to Victoria Nuland or C) that Victoria Nolands "Strong Arm Tactics in Ukraine" (which you have still yet to highlight or describe or define) was an attempt to dominate that nation.

and IF you indeed follow foreign policy, as you claim, then surely you are familiar with Zbigniew Brzezinski's (surely there is no need to state who he is to someone as astute on foreign policy as you)

He's quite versed. Astute? On some things. I read the Grand Chessboard and wasn't terribly impressed with anything except the well-received point that policy options exist in restricted ranges.

writing on Ukraine where he states:
Ukraine, a new and important space on the Eurasian chessboard, is a geopolitical pivot because its very existence as an independent country helps to transform Russia. Without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be a Eurasian empire.”

Yes, and? Is that supposed to be some kind of grand point about how therefore Saudi oil production decisions are being bent to the ruination of the Russians, rather than a response to American production?

I think you are just grabbing quotes and names and desperately waving them about, whether they fill the gaps you need or not.

SO IF AS YOU CLAIM YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH FOREIGN POLICY YOU ARE CERTAINLY AWARE OF THIS POSITION.

I'm aware of the idea, and I'm somewhat familiar with how geopolitical pivots are described. I've read my Mackinder as well as my Brzezinski.

But seriously. If you are depending on the argument that the guy who ran foreign policy for Friggin Jimmy Carder is some kind of super-duper-brilliant mind and he says that Russia really really wants Crimea because it allows them to project Imperial power... and that that somehow means that therefore the Saudi's are not making oil production decisions in response to prices falling and American production... :lol:

So you betcha, I read the word PERCEIVED, so there was no lack of reading skills whatsoever and my response stands.

As far as the "dominate", I saw that after I posted the response, but saw no need to edit it as the intent was clear.


:) Sure.
 
So pulling out the fact claims:

1. the idea that looking to neuter Obama from Will was referencing a physical neutering is belied by the actual text of the article you cite. Firstly, authors do not choose their headlines - newspaper editors do. So Will didn't pick that title. Secondly, the word "neuter" does not appear in the text that Will actually wrote.

You are so illiterate that you really can't read. Why do you think NEUTER is in the title if it wasn't in the article. If you read the article you would find the following statement:

Having forced Democrats to dramatize their perverse priorities, Republicans can turn to completing the neutering of this presidency by winning six Senate seats.

And he uses the term again in his other piece:

Obama’s presidency may last 17 or 65 more months, but it has been irreversibly neutered by two historic blunders made at its outset.

So again you have demonstrated, quite blatantly, a profound lack reading skills. And again, have done nothing more than spin another one of your old stank hag wives tales.

His argument was that Republicans should vote to raise the debt ceiling instead of risking shutting down the government, and that that Republicans who want to do those things are giving Obama handy rhetorical tools.

He clearly said Republican can turn to completely NEUTERING the Obama presidency. It's just like when someone burns the US flag, they are not burning the US, but they are sending a subtle message of a desire to destroy the US, at least in some fashion. In a similar way, to have the desire to NEUTER the presidency of Obama, is indicative of a subtle desire to at least in some fashion whether physical or through reputation NEUTER the President of the United States. And that is why you have spun another old stank hag wives tale.

2. It's ironic that you then suggest that this is somehow related to racism, and then argue that had Al Sharpton talked about neutering (physically) Bush, there would have been an uproar.

It is related to racism because if Al Sharpton had used those words about George Bush there would have been an uproar.

This is ironic because Jesse Jackson actually DID say that he wanted to PHYSICALLY neuter President Obama.

Please note that Jesse Jackson DID NOT SAY THAT ABOUT GEORGE BUSH BECAUSE IF HE DID THERE WOULD HAVE INDEED BEEN AN UPROAR.

Is Jesse Jackson racist against black people?

No but it was a rather stupid thing to say and it is likely based on the same envy and malice that would make a person have the desire to NEUTER the President of the United States.

Was he talking about Obama like he was an animal?

Sounds like it to me.

Or are you seeking to be outraged without bothering to engage your frontal lobe?

Again, old wore out stank hag snobbish sophist filth.
 
ah. You just failed to realize its' meaning?

I realized it's meaning and it's exactly what I said.

Juxtaposing perceptions by some that the US is dominating other nations (and their decrial of it) against their defense of the rights of other nations to do so. No where in it does that state that A) the perceptions are accurate or that B) they are accurate with particular regard to Victoria Nuland or C) that Victoria Nolands "Strong Arm Tactics in Ukraine" (which you have still yet to highlight or describe or define) was an attempt to dominate that nation.

You didn't have to state it. Your statements combined with others claiming to be foreign policy astute means you are aware that Nuland was attempting to dominate another nation.
 
Tin foil hat time...

What I find interesting is that the steady fall of prices at our pumps seems to have started just after Putin started acting all nutty in the Ukraine. As a result of the crude prices dropping, Russia's market is crashing and the ruble is in free fall.

Russian Ruble Falls as Oil Prices Tumble Further

Seems awfully coincidental being that gas prices usually jump up pretty steeply at the beginning of summer break and especially for the holidays. This is the one thing that could really hurt Russia... And it only happens just now? I think there are some serious backdoor deals being broken around the world that are making this happen.

I think that the crude market is about as bogus and propped up fake as it gets in the first place.
 
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Sure, but what is to stop the Saudi's from tanking the price again (say by increasing production drastically) so as to damage the U.S. shale oil industry?
This episode has got to be putting a scare into potential investors in the U.S. shale oil industry. They realize now that their economic future is even less in their hands then they thought it was 6 months ago.

Investors in shale oil are big boys. They understand the fickleness of the oil industry and the geo-political aspects of it. Shale oil will remain in the ground to be used another day. There is no "crisis" here.
 
Investors in shale oil are big boys. They understand the fickleness of the oil industry and the geo-political aspects of it. Shale oil will remain in the ground to be used another day. There is no "crisis" here.

I never said there was a 'crisis'...no idea why you chose that word in a reply to me.

But if you think this will not have a substantial effect on potential future investment in shale oil, then I think you are being naive on this. This won't kill investment, not by a long shot. But it, IMO, will negatively affect it.

We shall see.
 
I never said there was a 'crisis'...no idea why you chose that word in a reply to me.

But if you think this will not have a substantial effect on potential future investment in shale oil, then I think you are being naive on this. This won't kill investment, not by a long shot. But it, IMO, will negatively affect it.

We shall see.

No, it will not have a negative impact on the future investment in shale... it is the way all extractive industries work. They are not for the faint of heart.

Exxon made a HUGE investment in Western Slope Colorado shale in the early 1980's and walked away from there investment when oil prices retreated... yet plenty of people were willing to invest in shale currently.

The hills of Colorado are riddled with Gold and Silver mines from the late 1800's.... many people got rich, many people went broke. Virtually all of the mines were shuttered by 1895 with the last guy holding the back likely financially ruined. That experience did not stop gold and silver mining.

If you are an oil and gas (or gold and silver) investor you know you the game...
 
No, it will not have a negative impact on the future investment in shale... it is the way all extractive industries work. They are not for the faint of heart.

Exxon made a HUGE investment in Western Slope Colorado shale in the early 1980's and walked away from there investment when oil prices retreated... yet plenty of people were willing to invest in shale currently.

The hills of Colorado are riddled with Gold and Silver mines from the late 1800's.... many people got rich, many people went broke. Virtually all of the mines were shuttered by 1895 with the last guy holding the back likely financially ruined. That experience did not stop gold and silver mining.

If you are an oil and gas (or gold and silver) investor you know you the game...

Wow!

So you are able to discern that at ANY later date that this development will have no negative impact whatsoever on shale investment?

That is some crystal ball you have there.

Can I use it for the NFL picks this week?


No offense, but if you are going to make ridiculous statements like that, then it is very difficult for me to take you seriously on this subject.

We are done here.


Good day.
 
Wow!

So you are able to discern that at ANY later date that this development will have no negative impact whatsoever on shale investment?

That is some crystal ball you have there.

Can I use it for the NFL picks this week?


No offense, but if you are going to make ridiculous statements like that, then it is very difficult for me to take you seriously on this subject.

We are done here.


Good day.

No, I have seen multiple cycles of the oil industry. I have a background in finance and spent a far amount of time with oil and gas and mining businesses, so I know a little bit about this stuff. This is just another day in the oil and gas business cycle.
 
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That's excellent to hear. Do you have a source for it?

From the following article:

Michael Lynch, an analyst at Strategic Energy and Economic Research, thinks this strategy is unlikely to work.
Lynch estimates that most fracked wells in the U.S. break even below $60, although sustained lower prices will likely cut future drilling investment by 10 to 15 percent. But even that has upside because slackening demand for drilling rigs and crews will lower the costs for new fracked wells. In addition, technological improvements are generating something like an annual 10 to 20 percent reduction in fracking costs and offsetting increases in production. In any case, owners will pump oil from wells already drilled as long as production covers their variable costs.

http://reason.com/archives/2014/12/05/how-low-can-oil-prices-go
 
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