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    Re: Oil at $75 Means Patches of Texas Shale Turn Unprofitable

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Well I hate to burst your little bubble of twisted enjoyment but I did indeed note you use of the word PERCEIVED.
    ah. You just failed to realize its' meaning?

    And your statement was an admission that the purpose of Victoria Nuland's strong arm tactics in Ukraine was an attempt to dominate other countries
    This is where it is funny that you like to accuse others of having problems with reading comprehension.

    Here is what I said:
    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill
    No, I am talking about the entertaining tendency of some to both A) instantly decry any perceived attempt by the US to dominate any other nation in the pursuit of our national interests and B) insist that geopolitical opponents of the U.S. nonetheless have a right to do so.
    Juxtaposing perceptions by some that the US is dominating other nations (and their decrial of it) against their defense of the rights of other nations to do so. No where in it does that state that A) the perceptions are accurate or that B) they are accurate with particular regard to Victoria Nuland or C) that Victoria Nolands "Strong Arm Tactics in Ukraine" (which you have still yet to highlight or describe or define) was an attempt to dominate that nation.

    and IF you indeed follow foreign policy, as you claim, then surely you are familiar with Zbigniew Brzezinski's (surely there is no need to state who he is to someone as astute on foreign policy as you)
    He's quite versed. Astute? On some things. I read the Grand Chessboard and wasn't terribly impressed with anything except the well-received point that policy options exist in restricted ranges.

    [quote]writing on Ukraine where he states:
    Ukraine, a new and important space on the Eurasian chessboard, is a geopolitical pivot because its very existence as an independent country helps to transform Russia. Without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be a Eurasian empire.”

    Yes, and? Is that supposed to be some kind of grand point about how therefore Saudi oil production decisions are being bent to the ruination of the Russians, rather than a response to American production?

    I think you are just grabbing quotes and names and desperately waving them about, whether they fill the gaps you need or not.

    SO IF AS YOU CLAIM YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH FOREIGN POLICY YOU ARE CERTAINLY AWARE OF THIS POSITION.
    I'm aware of the idea, and I'm somewhat familiar with how geopolitical pivots are described. I've read my Mackinder as well as my Brzezinski.

    But seriously. If you are depending on the argument that the guy who ran foreign policy for Friggin Jimmy Carder is some kind of super-duper-brilliant mind and he says that Russia really really wants Crimea because it allows them to project Imperial power... and that that somehow means that therefore the Saudi's are not making oil production decisions in response to prices falling and American production...

    So you betcha, I read the word PERCEIVED, so there was no lack of reading skills whatsoever and my response stands.

    As far as the "dominate", I saw that after I posted the response, but saw no need to edit it as the intent was clear.

    Sure.

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    Re: Oil at $75 Means Patches of Texas Shale Turn Unprofitable

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    So pulling out the fact claims:

    1. the idea that looking to neuter Obama from Will was referencing a physical neutering is belied by the actual text of the article you cite. Firstly, authors do not choose their headlines - newspaper editors do. So Will didn't pick that title. Secondly, the word "neuter" does not appear in the text that Will actually wrote.
    You are so illiterate that you really can't read. Why do you think NEUTER is in the title if it wasn't in the article. If you read the article you would find the following statement:

    Having forced Democrats to dramatize their perverse priorities, Republicans can turn to completing the neutering of this presidency by winning six Senate seats.
    And he uses the term again in his other piece:

    Obama’s presidency may last 17 or 65 more months, but it has been irreversibly neutered by two historic blunders made at its outset.
    So again you have demonstrated, quite blatantly, a profound lack reading skills. And again, have done nothing more than spin another one of your old stank hag wives tales.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    His argument was that Republicans should vote to raise the debt ceiling instead of risking shutting down the government, and that that Republicans who want to do those things are giving Obama handy rhetorical tools.
    He clearly said Republican can turn to completely NEUTERING the Obama presidency. It's just like when someone burns the US flag, they are not burning the US, but they are sending a subtle message of a desire to destroy the US, at least in some fashion. In a similar way, to have the desire to NEUTER the presidency of Obama, is indicative of a subtle desire to at least in some fashion whether physical or through reputation NEUTER the President of the United States. And that is why you have spun another old stank hag wives tale.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    2. It's ironic that you then suggest that this is somehow related to racism, and then argue that had Al Sharpton talked about neutering (physically) Bush, there would have been an uproar.
    It is related to racism because if Al Sharpton had used those words about George Bush there would have been an uproar.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    This is ironic because Jesse Jackson actually DID say that he wanted to PHYSICALLY neuter President Obama.
    Please note that Jesse Jackson DID NOT SAY THAT ABOUT GEORGE BUSH BECAUSE IF HE DID THERE WOULD HAVE INDEED BEEN AN UPROAR.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Is Jesse Jackson racist against black people?
    No but it was a rather stupid thing to say and it is likely based on the same envy and malice that would make a person have the desire to NEUTER the President of the United States.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Was he talking about Obama like he was an animal?
    Sounds like it to me.

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    Or are you seeking to be outraged without bothering to engage your frontal lobe?
    Again, old wore out stank hag snobbish sophist filth.

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    Re: Oil at $75 Means Patches of Texas Shale Turn Unprofitable

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    ah. You just failed to realize its' meaning?
    I realized it's meaning and it's exactly what I said.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Juxtaposing perceptions by some that the US is dominating other nations (and their decrial of it) against their defense of the rights of other nations to do so. No where in it does that state that A) the perceptions are accurate or that B) they are accurate with particular regard to Victoria Nuland or C) that Victoria Nolands "Strong Arm Tactics in Ukraine" (which you have still yet to highlight or describe or define) was an attempt to dominate that nation.
    You didn't have to state it. Your statements combined with others claiming to be foreign policy astute means you are aware that Nuland was attempting to dominate another nation.

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    Re: Oil at $75 Means Patches of Texas Shale Turn Unprofitable

    Tin foil hat time...

    What I find interesting is that the steady fall of prices at our pumps seems to have started just after Putin started acting all nutty in the Ukraine. As a result of the crude prices dropping, Russia's market is crashing and the ruble is in free fall.

    Russian Ruble Falls as Oil Prices Tumble Further

    Seems awfully coincidental being that gas prices usually jump up pretty steeply at the beginning of summer break and especially for the holidays. This is the one thing that could really hurt Russia... And it only happens just now? I think there are some serious backdoor deals being broken around the world that are making this happen.

    I think that the crude market is about as bogus and propped up fake as it gets in the first place.
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    Re: Oil at $75 Means Patches of Texas Shale Turn Unprofitable

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Sure, but what is to stop the Saudi's from tanking the price again (say by increasing production drastically) so as to damage the U.S. shale oil industry?
    This episode has got to be putting a scare into potential investors in the U.S. shale oil industry. They realize now that their economic future is even less in their hands then they thought it was 6 months ago.
    Investors in shale oil are big boys. They understand the fickleness of the oil industry and the geo-political aspects of it. Shale oil will remain in the ground to be used another day. There is no "crisis" here.

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    Re: Oil at $75 Means Patches of Texas Shale Turn Unprofitable

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Investors in shale oil are big boys. They understand the fickleness of the oil industry and the geo-political aspects of it. Shale oil will remain in the ground to be used another day. There is no "crisis" here.
    I never said there was a 'crisis'...no idea why you chose that word in a reply to me.

    But if you think this will not have a substantial effect on potential future investment in shale oil, then I think you are being naive on this. This won't kill investment, not by a long shot. But it, IMO, will negatively affect it.

    We shall see.

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    Re: Oil at $75 Means Patches of Texas Shale Turn Unprofitable

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I never said there was a 'crisis'...no idea why you chose that word in a reply to me.

    But if you think this will not have a substantial effect on potential future investment in shale oil, then I think you are being naive on this. This won't kill investment, not by a long shot. But it, IMO, will negatively affect it.

    We shall see.
    No, it will not have a negative impact on the future investment in shale... it is the way all extractive industries work. They are not for the faint of heart.

    Exxon made a HUGE investment in Western Slope Colorado shale in the early 1980's and walked away from there investment when oil prices retreated... yet plenty of people were willing to invest in shale currently.

    The hills of Colorado are riddled with Gold and Silver mines from the late 1800's.... many people got rich, many people went broke. Virtually all of the mines were shuttered by 1895 with the last guy holding the back likely financially ruined. That experience did not stop gold and silver mining.

    If you are an oil and gas (or gold and silver) investor you know you the game...

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    Re: Oil at $75 Means Patches of Texas Shale Turn Unprofitable

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    No, it will not have a negative impact on the future investment in shale... it is the way all extractive industries work. They are not for the faint of heart.

    Exxon made a HUGE investment in Western Slope Colorado shale in the early 1980's and walked away from there investment when oil prices retreated... yet plenty of people were willing to invest in shale currently.

    The hills of Colorado are riddled with Gold and Silver mines from the late 1800's.... many people got rich, many people went broke. Virtually all of the mines were shuttered by 1895 with the last guy holding the back likely financially ruined. That experience did not stop gold and silver mining.

    If you are an oil and gas (or gold and silver) investor you know you the game...
    Wow!

    So you are able to discern that at ANY later date that this development will have no negative impact whatsoever on shale investment?

    That is some crystal ball you have there.

    Can I use it for the NFL picks this week?


    No offense, but if you are going to make ridiculous statements like that, then it is very difficult for me to take you seriously on this subject.

    We are done here.


    Good day.

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    Re: Oil at $75 Means Patches of Texas Shale Turn Unprofitable

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Wow!

    So you are able to discern that at ANY later date that this development will have no negative impact whatsoever on shale investment?

    That is some crystal ball you have there.

    Can I use it for the NFL picks this week?


    No offense, but if you are going to make ridiculous statements like that, then it is very difficult for me to take you seriously on this subject.

    We are done here.


    Good day.
    No, I have seen multiple cycles of the oil industry. I have a background in finance and spent a far amount of time with oil and gas and mining businesses, so I know a little bit about this stuff. This is just another day in the oil and gas business cycle.
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    Re: Oil at $75 Means Patches of Texas Shale Turn Unprofitable

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That's excellent to hear. Do you have a source for it?
    From the following article:


    Michael Lynch, an analyst at Strategic Energy and Economic Research, thinks this strategy is unlikely to work.
    Lynch estimates that most fracked wells in the U.S. break even below $60, although sustained lower prices will likely cut future drilling investment by 10 to 15 percent. But even that has upside because slackening demand for drilling rigs and crews will lower the costs for new fracked wells. In addition, technological improvements are generating something like an annual 10 to 20 percent reduction in fracking costs and offsetting increases in production. In any case, owners will pump oil from wells already drilled as long as production covers their variable costs.
    http://reason.com/archives/2014/12/0...-oil-prices-go
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