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    Re: Chuck Schumer says Democrats shouldn’t have bothered to reform health care

    As long as Schumer says he's sorry we can move on to screw up anything that hasn't been thus far...there's so much that hasn't been screwed up yet. As Obama has said, Americans don't know how good they have it, and the left is going to prove it.

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    Re: Chuck Schumer says Democrats shouldn’t have bothered to reform health care

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Didn't you have a poll on what people thought of the ACA and its results from the Election? Or a few of them that validated the issue for the elections? As we know Schumer didn't miss that all the Repubs across the country were talking about BO's special package and running against it.
    Since the ACA's initial passage it has hung around the necks of Democrats like a millstone. When more than 50% of all Americans are against it, it is a great campaign issue for the GOP. The only time the Democrats won an election was 2012 when those opposed the ACA was below 50% and its support was at its highest:

    Date…......for..against
    Nov 09….38%…53%
    May 10….40%...53%
    Nov 10….38%....54% Republicans gain 63 House seats and 6 Senate seats, Obama approval rate 45% approve 49% disapprove
    May 11….39%....52%
    Nov 11….39%....49%
    May 12….39%....49%
    Nov 12….42%....47% Obama wins presidential election, Obama Approval rate 51% approve 47% disapprove
    May 13….39%....49%
    Nov 13….39%....53%
    May 14….41%....52%
    Nov 14…..38%....52% Republicans gain 9 senate and 13 House seats. Obama approval rating 41% approve 55% Disapprove.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Chuck Schumer says Democrats shouldn’t have bothered to reform health care

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Since the ACA's initial passage it has hung around the necks of Democrats like a millstone. When more than 50% of all Americans are against it, it is a great campaign issue for the GOP. The only time the Democrats won an election was 2012 when those opposed the ACA was below 50% and its support was at its highest:

    Date…......for..against
    Nov 09….38%…53%
    May 10….40%...53%
    Nov 10….38%....54% Republicans gain 63 House seats and 6 Senate seats, Obama approval rate 45% approve 49% disapprove
    May 11….39%....52%
    Nov 11….39%....49%
    May 12….39%....49%
    Nov 12….42%....47% Obama wins presidential election, Obama Approval rate 51% approve 47% disapprove
    May 13….39%....49%
    Nov 13….39%....53%
    May 14….41%....52%
    Nov 14…..38%....52% Republicans gain 9 senate and 13 House seats. Obama approval rating 41% approve 55% Disapprove.


    Another thing is.....what about the Demos that Right before the Election were out with Repair and Improve BO care? I think Manchin was one of them.

    So even before the Election, Demos were splitting over the matter.

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    Re: Chuck Schumer says Democrats shouldn’t have bothered to reform health care

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Chuck Schumer says Democrats shouldn’t have bothered to reform health care - The Washington Post

    This is so shocking to hear from a Democrat that I wonder if hes being sarcastic. Is his message really praising Democrats for doing what was "right" instead of what was political? Beyond all that he makes some great points. Most healthcare spending is by govt programs already, the rest through employers where they dont pay alot. So the ACA didnt help very many people, and those people dont even vote. And this was all at a time when the focus should have been on jobs and economic growth, financial stability, not new and bigger govt socialism.

    The same might be said if immigration now. Why is politics focused on something which will help very few people, at a time when security, debt, deficits, spending, taxes, are more important? And this is confirmed in polling. Voters dont want amnesty, and they dont care about immigration as much as they care about govt taxing and spending, and regulation.
    Greetings, jonny5.

    Very well said! Far more than usual, voters sent a message during the midterms that they are more interested in their wallets and economic outlook than anything else. Obama promised during his campaign in 2008 that he would focus like a laser on jobs, and it hasn't happened. Enough is enough!

    As far as Schumer is concerned, nobody pays much attention to anything he says, so this sounds to me like he's angling for the Minority Speaker's job. He's been drooling to replace Reid for quite a while, so while he appears to be having a change of heart on healthcare, he's not sincere. Obama insists on having that as his legacy - dog that it is - and Schumer knows that. Is it logical that he would undercut his leader? Not bloody likely! The healthcare and immigration societal changes that Obama is pushing for keeps everyone focused on them, which is what it's meant to do. Jobs are just not important to Obama it appears.

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    Re: Chuck Schumer says Democrats shouldn’t have bothered to reform health care

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    my post was cited and thus i am obligated to state that in no way did i assert that employers have an obligation to raise wages
    my reference to better wages and more jobs was taken directly from schmuck schumer's statement where he is castigating the president for effecting Obamacare in lieu of addressing those other issues
    and allow me again point out that i can find nothing that schumer has done himself to address those other issues as a member of the nation's senate, which issues schumer found more essential to address than Obamacare
    there is no politician i hold in lower regard than schmuck, the waterboy of wall street
    I see. Your entire post was a schumer quote. I assumed the paragraph break ended the quote and continued with your comment.

    Got it. :-)

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    Re: Chuck Schumer says Democrats shouldn’t have bothered to reform health care

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Another thing is.....what about the Demos that Right before the Election were out with Repair and Improve BO care? I think Manchin was one of them.

    So even before the Election, Demos were splitting over the matter.
    Manchin is more of an old type conservative Democrat. Manchin is a senator who think his job is to represent West Virginia instead of the Democratic Party. West Virginia first, Democratic Party second, that is the way it should be. Any senator should represent his state first, his party second.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Chuck Schumer says Democrats shouldn’t have bothered to reform health care

    To be fair, Schumer also said that the problem is Democrats havent been big govt enough. But at least what hes saying is true about the party. Of course Obama says hes the smallest govt, least spending. most conservative president in history.

    "We must convince the middle class that the only way out of their morass is by embracing a strong and effective government, not demeaning or running from it," Schumer said during a lengthy speech at the National Press Club, which at times sounded like an analysis of political trends over the last 100 years. "We’re a pro-government party," he added in summation. "We have been all along. We can’t run from it."

    "People know in their hearts that when big powerful private sector forces degrade their lifestyle only government can protect them."
    Chuck Schumer's Cure for Democrats - The Atlantic

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    Re: Chuck Schumer says Democrats shouldn’t have bothered to reform health care

    In 2016, you'll be able to count the democrats up for election bragging about the passage of Obamacare on one hand. Probably even if you worked in a sawmill as a young child with attention deficit disorder.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Chuck Schumer says Democrats shouldn’t have bothered to reform health care

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    It is amazing to watch how quickly the left will throw one of their own under the bus if they step out of party line for even a second. Yeah, Schumer, the commie darling, is a "representative of wall street". HA! Good one.
    So now "the left" is not allowed to criticize those commonly thought to be part of their ranks? Weren't you just telling me the other day that the left refuse to hold "their own" accountable?

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    Re: Chuck Schumer says Democrats shouldn’t have bothered to reform health care

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    What I think Schummer admitted to was the people elected Obama and the Democrats to fix the economy back in 2008. The people were fixated on the economy, not healthcare. When he and the Democrats took their eyes off the economy to concentrate on healthcare, that is not what the majority of the people wanted. He never said the ACA was a bad thing, he said it was good and needed which I disagree with him. But it wasn't what the people wanted at the time. Then 2010 happened, a complete shock to Obama and the Democrats.

    I have been saying the same thing for years. 2010 happened because the Democrats ignored the wishes of the people. Now if one looks at the exit polls for the 2014 election, the voters are saying the same thing, its the economy stupid. 45% of them said the economy was their number one issue, 78% of the voters said they are worried about their and the nation's financial future.

    No brainier right? But what is the first thing the president does even though I am sure he knew what was foremost on the minds of the voters, immigration reform. Bad move? Maybe.

    If the new Republican congress concentrate on the removal of his immigration EO and take their attention off the economy, then this may have been a good move. But if the new Republican congress doesn't, if they concentrate on passing bills dealing with the economy, then the president and the Democrats may rue the day. So the ball is now in the Republican's court. My opinion.


    ^^ that

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