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    Re: Chuck Schumer says Democrats shouldn’t have bothered to reform health care

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    "Commie darling"? That's absurd.
    What I think Schummer admitted to was the people elected Obama and the Democrats to fix the economy back in 2008. The people were fixated on the economy, not healthcare. When he and the Democrats took their eyes off the economy to concentrate on healthcare, that is not what the majority of the people wanted. He never said the ACA was a bad thing, he said it was good and needed which I disagree with him. But it wasn't what the people wanted at the time. Then 2010 happened, a complete shock to Obama and the Democrats.

    I have been saying the same thing for years. 2010 happened because the Democrats ignored the wishes of the people. Now if one looks at the exit polls for the 2014 election, the voters are saying the same thing, its the economy stupid. 45% of them said the economy was their number one issue, 78% of the voters said they are worried about their and the nation's financial future.

    No brainier right? But what is the first thing the president does even though I am sure he knew what was foremost on the minds of the voters, immigration reform. Bad move? Maybe.

    If the new Republican congress concentrate on the removal of his immigration EO and take their attention off the economy, then this may have been a good move. But if the new Republican congress doesn't, if they concentrate on passing bills dealing with the economy, then the president and the Democrats may rue the day. So the ball is now in the Republican's court. My opinion.
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    Re: Chuck Schumer says Democrats shouldn’t have bothered to reform health care

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    What I think Schummer admitted to was the people elected Obama and the Democrats to fix the economy back in 2008. The people were fixated on the economy, not healthcare. When he and the Democrats took their eyes off the economy to concentrate on healthcare, that is not what the majority of the people wanted. He never said the ACA was a bad thing, he said it was good and needed which I disagree with him. But it wasn't what the people wanted at the time. Then 2010 happened, a complete shock to Obama and the Democrats.

    I have been saying the same thing for years. 2010 happened because the Democrats ignored the wishes of the people. Now if one looks at the exit polls for the 2014 election, the voters are saying the same thing, its the economy stupid. 45% of them said the economy was their number one issue, 78% of the voters said they are worried about their and the nation's financial future.

    No brainier right? But what is the first thing the president does even though I am sure he knew what was foremost on the minds of the voters, immigration reform. Bad move? Maybe.

    If the new Republican congress concentrate on the removal of his immigration EO and take their attention off the economy, then this may have been a good move. But if the new Republican congress doesn't, if they concentrate on passing bills dealing with the economy, then the president and the Democrats may rue the day. So the ball is now in the Republican's court. My opinion.
    Obama has created so much ill-will, has lied so thoroughly, has been exposed on those lies that I believe the damage is done. Only the Gruberites will come to his defense.

    Obama has tried to blame everyone else for his failures, and to top it off, he turns around and pisses in the face of the electorate right after the election.

    Obama is simply unbelievable, and this will hurt The Clinton Crime Family, who comes to the show with loads of baggage and deceits.

    In short, Obama has screwed Hillary. The Demokrats have screwed Hillary. And Hillary has screwed Hillary.

    6-years of misery will not be forgotten in 2014, and Obama is no uniter. He'll be out to screw the country and Republicans... but now the public knows who he is. He has a record, and regardless of the issue, it sucks.
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    Re: Chuck Schumer says Democrats shouldn’t have bothered to reform health care

    Sounds to me that Chuch Schumer is dancing around the political fallout from ACA instead of being sincere about where they should have put their efforts during the 111th Democrat controlled Congress. What he cannot escape is Obama was acting upon a major campaign promise with what became ACA, something many Democrats in the 111th Congress also made a campaign note of. So it is somewhat disingenuous to suggest it was not important. Politicially Democrats made it important. Obviously the economy and what Democrats made of the wars were also important but that does not negate the Obama and crew campaigned on these things. You have to remembet that Obama in 2008 was all about running away from Bush 43 legacies.

    Unlike immigration, Democrats followed through on healthcare reform with a "we have to pass this legislation, so you can find out what is in it" mentality. That huge bill with all those parts, quite a mess that ended up playing right into the hands of the health insurance industry. That is part of the fallout of ACA, all that is in it that we now know about. Polls overwhelmingly supported. People are not pleased with ACA overall even though they may like parts of it. I think Schumer is reacting to that far more than some honest statement on what they should have focused on over 4 years ago.
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    Re: Chuck Schumer says Democrats shouldn’t have bothered to reform health care

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    schmuck schumer:
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    the asshole has not yet realized that those things could also be addressed

    now let's see what that representative of wall street has done to effect better wages and more jobs to overcome the effects of the recession. and you will find the answer is NOTHING
    Why would I, as an investor, do anything to improve wages? If you want to earn more money then you go get the skills you need to be worth more. The only person's wages I am obligated to improve are my own.

    Government is intentionally strangling job creation. It is what authoritarian states do.

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    Re: Chuck Schumer says Democrats shouldn’t have bothered to reform health care

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    He got sidetracked into doing a political agenda instead of what the people elected him to do in the first place. First it cost him the House, then it cost him the senate. This is what happens at times when those whom the people elect fail to listed to those who voted for them.
    Cmon Pero. Haven't you seen the left running around and talking about the mid-term means nothing. Its just the usual. Par for the Course.

    Elections have consequences.....but this one doesn't.

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    Re: Chuck Schumer says Democrats shouldn’t have bothered to reform health care

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Chuck Schumer says Democrats shouldn’t have bothered to reform health care - The Washington Post

    This is so shocking to hear from a Democrat that I wonder if hes being sarcastic. Is his message really praising Democrats for doing what was "right" instead of what was political? Beyond all that he makes some great points. Most healthcare spending is by govt programs already, the rest through employers where they dont pay alot. So the ACA didnt help very many people, and those people dont even vote. And this was all at a time when the focus should have been on jobs and economic growth, financial stability, not new and bigger govt socialism.

    The same might be said if immigration now. Why is politics focused on something which will help very few people, at a time when security, debt, deficits, spending, taxes, are more important? And this is confirmed in polling. Voters dont want amnesty, and they dont care about immigration as much as they care about govt taxing and spending, and regulation.
    Finally! Finally the realization of the priorities of the electorate dawns on Schumer. Hell Schumer. What took you so long? What took all the others in Congress so long? Why are you guys generally so clueless?

    This is what many have been saying from the very first introduction of the Obamacare legislation.
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    Re: Chuck Schumer says Democrats shouldn’t have bothered to reform health care

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Why would I, as an investor, do anything to improve wages? If you want to earn more money then you go get the skills you need to be worth more. The only person's wages I am obligated to improve are my own.

    Government is intentionally strangling job creation. It is what authoritarian states do.
    my post was cited and thus i am obligated to state that in no way did i assert that employers have an obligation to raise wages
    my reference to better wages and more jobs was taken directly from schmuck schumer's statement where he is castigating the president for effecting Obamacare in lieu of addressing those other issues
    and allow me again point out that i can find nothing that schumer has done himself to address those other issues as a member of the nation's senate, which issues schumer found more essential to address than Obamacare
    there is no politician i hold in lower regard than schmuck, the waterboy of wall street
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    Re: Chuck Schumer says Democrats shouldn’t have bothered to reform health care

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Cmon Pero. Haven't you seen the left running around and talking about the mid-term means nothing. Its just the usual. Par for the Course.

    Elections have consequences.....but this one doesn't.
    If the Republican congress concentrates on what the voters want, improving the economy. If they do not get caught up in the immigration trap set by the president, that could be another nail in the coffin for the Democrats come 2016. The voters voiced their displeasure earlier this month with Democrats not concentrating on the economy, that was confirmed in all the exist polls. But to take advantage of the voters wishes, more attention needs to be on the economy and not reversing Obama's EO on immigration. His EO only reinforces the mood in the peoples minds that the Democrats are not interested in improving the economy, the number issue in the voters minds this last election.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Chuck Schumer says Democrats shouldn’t have bothered to reform health care

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    If the Republican congress concentrates on what the voters want, improving the economy. If they do not get caught up in the immigration trap set by the president, that could be another nail in the coffin for the Democrats come 2016. The voters voiced their displeasure earlier this month with Democrats not concentrating on the economy, that was confirmed in all the exist polls. But to take advantage of the voters wishes, more attention needs to be on the economy and not reversing Obama's EO on immigration. His EO only reinforces the mood in the peoples minds that the Democrats are not interested in improving the economy, the number issue in the voters minds this last election.

    Didn't you have a poll on what people thought of the ACA and its results from the Election? Or a few of them that validated the issue for the elections? As we know Schumer didn't miss that all the Repubs across the country were talking about BO's special package and running against it.

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    Re: Chuck Schumer says Democrats shouldn’t have bothered to reform health care

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Methinks someone wants Harry Reid's leadership position.
    Mornin' TB. Well he does want the minority leader spot.....but for some reason the Demos are going with Harry. Rather than sending him to pasture.

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