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    Re: Arkansas, Mississippi overturn gay marriage bans

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    The ONLY purpose of the 14th amendment was to ensure that black Americans would have the same rights across the former Confederate states as they had in the rest of the nation.

    Which was why the 14th was passed in conjunction with the 13th & 15th amendments.
    And yet the Courts have consistently ruled differently and applied the 14th to many situations, something most people agree with.
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    Re: Arkansas, Mississippi overturn gay marriage bans

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    How is telling a man who wants to have ten wives not 'discrimination'? Are you saying that SSM doesn't have 'legal complications such as divorce and custody"?
    Number of spouses is different than sex of spouses. Divorce and child custody for same sex couples are not additional complications faced solely by same sex couples. Having multiple spouses involves complications not faced by any two couple marriages, no matter their relative races, sexes, religions, other type classifications.
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    Re: Arkansas, Mississippi overturn gay marriage bans

    Quote Originally Posted by Dayton3 View Post
    So.

    It has been incorrectly used in 1,000s of cases.
    Since the people of the US haven't said this, especially in any majority, I would say that the rest of the US disagrees, so any effort to try to change or repeal the 14th would fall flat on its face, going to show that the Constitution is supposed to be about restricting the government, not the people.
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    Re: Arkansas, Mississippi overturn gay marriage bans

    Quote Originally Posted by Dayton3 View Post
    Gods timeline isn't ours.

    He waited 40 years before punishing Israel for their mistreatment of a neighboring nation (and a king later). See Chronicles regarding this.
    Funny how y'all want to believe God would smite us for this but not for so many other things, or other countries for that matter, which break many actual commandments including holding other gods above him. "Gods wrath" is an excuse used to scare people into believing a certain way and works mainly with those too ignorant to recognize the crock that such claims are.
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    Re: Arkansas, Mississippi overturn gay marriage bans

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Considering most of those fighting for same sex couples to get married are heterosexuals, this is an ignorant statement. Plus we aren't talking about matrimony here, which is part of personal marriages, but recognition of a relationship, legal kinship, which is absolutely legally the same as when it involves two people of the opposite sex because spouses are not treated by the law differently in their relation to their gender.
    All of that can as easily but much more efficiently be handled by civil contract. All we need do is put marriage, where it should be in modern society, namely, in the private sector.

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    Re: Arkansas, Mississippi overturn gay marriage bans

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    All of that can as easily but much more efficiently be handled by civil contract. All we need do is put marriage, where it should be in modern society, namely, in the private sector.
    this is just pure dishonesty or ignorance of the subject.

    1 being many contracts are also banned if they are same sex
    2 civil contracts when it comes to things as property, kids, kinship etc are not legal binding as precedence already prove
    3 and there is no other contract that is as sound and inclusive as a marriage contract and somethings can be achieved any other way
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    Re: Arkansas, Mississippi overturn gay marriage bans

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Kids are not nor have they ever been in the US a legal requirement of marriage, and the ability to procreate is more likely to prevent at least some opposite sex couples from getting legally married than the inability to procreate.
    No, they were not formally a legal requirement. That does not mean, however, that that is not the way social instruments work. Marriage was a very good solution for reproduction in times gone by. That it was poorly constructed and not well understood does not mean that it did not have the function. Only that that is the sloppy way of progress. Now it no longer fulfills its function to the absurd point of sterile matrimony, which gay sex implies, it seems silly to have it. And it seems ridiculously childish to want the candy anyway.

    PS: BTW, I revisited the report you mentioned on the costs of gay marriage to society. You do know that it seems to imply that a substantial number of gays act irrationally and marry in spite of the fact that they will lose considerable income. This may or may not occur, but my experience with gay men has been that they tend not to be irrational, which the report to some extent implies.

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    Re: Arkansas, Mississippi overturn gay marriage bans

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    this is just pure dishonesty or ignorance of the subject.

    1 being many contracts are also banned if they are same sex
    2 civil contracts when it comes to things as property, kids, kinship etc are not legal binding as precedence already prove
    3 and there is no other contract that is as sound and inclusive as a marriage contract and somethings can be achieved any other way
    I am truly sorry. I must have been unclear. I did not say, we live in an ideal world and nothing should be changed. Quite the contrary. It is just that gay matrimony is wrongheaded and the wrong direction. We should not be widening the state's mandate but getting it out of the marrying business altogether. Get its nose out of private citizens' affairs and free up.

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    Re: Arkansas, Mississippi overturn gay marriage bans

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    All of that can as easily but much more efficiently be handled by civil contract. All we need do is put marriage, where it should be in modern society, namely, in the private sector.
    If it can be much more efficiently handled by civil contract, why haven't you started that business yet?
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    Re: Arkansas, Mississippi overturn gay marriage bans

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    1.)I am truly sorry. I must have been unclear. I did not say, we live in an ideal world and nothing should be changed. Quite the contrary.
    2.) It is just that gay matrimony is wrongheaded and the wrong direction.
    3.) We should not be widening the state's mandate but getting it out of the marrying business altogether.
    4.) Get its nose out of private citizens' affairs and free up.
    1.) nor did i make that claim i simply pointed out the fact your statement about efficient and civil contract was was wrong
    2.) equal rights is never the wrong direction
    3.) government will always be involved in marriage they are needed to protect the contract
    4.) thats exactly what equal rights is doing, you seemed very confused on this issue
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