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Car plows through protesters during Ferguson rally in south Minneapolis [W:349]

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I am going to take a break from this thread. Black Friday shopping sounds like more fun than trying to reason with someone who is in complete denial about this situation.

Ok, what would you charge this guy with and how would a conviction on that charge rate a life sentence? Be sure and cite your work.
 
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I am going to take a break from this thread. Black Friday shopping sounds like more fun than trying to reason with someone who is in complete denial about this situation.

Yes, a colossal waste of time because they are flat out denying what happened in order to defend the indefensible.
 
Bull****. Stop blaming the crowd--their actions are a separate issue. Drivers are 100% responsible for every action they take, even if it's an "accident." But this case was much more sinister. Go back and watch the video I posted. This driver CHOSE to plow through the crowd. This wasn't an accident, clownboy. This was a deliberate act to run people over.

If this guy does not spend a LONG time behind bars, then it's just going to be further evidence that our justice system is utterly broken.

I watched the video and it does not show the speed of the approach. I can see a far less sinister scenario where the driver, distracted by the assholes is going too fast and doesn't notice the car in front of him until he's right on it's tail and then turns to avoid hitting the car in front. As soon as he does that he hits someone and the crowd instantly swarms his vehicle. In imminent danger at that point he continues on seeking to drive through the crowd that stupidly does not yield before him.

The cause of this accident is fully upon those who were swarming the roadway. Without their idiotic actions it just would not have happened.
 
Yes, a colossal waste of time because they are flat out denying what happened in order to defend the indefensible.

You mean the indefensible stupidity of blocking a roadway illegally with their soft bodies. Please. Spare us your defense of these Darwin Award nominees.
 
Yes, a colossal waste of time because they are flat out denying what happened in order to defend the indefensible.

You all's retreat from an untenable situation is noted.
 
Yes, a colossal waste of time because they are flat out denying what happened in order to defend the indefensible.

Still, they have to be engaged, because attitudes such as their are what cause injustice in the first place.
 
I watched the video and it does not show the speed of the approach. I can see a far less sinister scenario where the driver, distracted by the assholes is going too fast and doesn't notice the car in front of him until he's right on it's tail and then turns to avoid hitting the car in front.

The very beginning of the video shows the car going at a speed commonly referred to as "stopped"
 
I watched the video and it does not show the speed of the approach. I can see a far less sinister scenario where the driver, distracted by the assholes is going too fast and doesn't notice the car in front of him until he's right on it's tail and then turns to avoid hitting the car in front. As soon as he does that he hits someone and the crowd instantly swarms his vehicle. In imminent danger at that point he continues on seeking to drive through the crowd that stupidly does not yield before him.

The cause of this accident is fully upon those who were swarming the roadway. Without their idiotic actions it just would not have happened.

You all's retreat from an untenable situation is noted.

Okay. Let's try this again. This time, let us look at the video and witnessed what actually happened, not what we believed happened. Let us restart this discussion by focusing not on speculation, but on facts. Pure, honest facts.



0:00--The car in question is near the top of the screen. Based on the description from the local paper and Google street view, the suspect, Jeffrey Patrick Rice, was driving eastbound on Lake Street, attempting to cross the blocked intersection at Minnehaha Street. (Pause for the obligatory giggle.) There are two important things to note here before we roll the tape.

(1) There is a white car stopped in the left eastbound lane on Lake. Its significance will become clear when we roll the tape.

(2) There is a small gap that some cars are using to turn northbound onto Minnehaha. Normally cutting across lanes like this is not allowed, but when there is an obstruction in the roadway, such as was definitely the case here, said cutting can be legally justifiable if it does endanger anyone else.

Roll the tape, but don't focus on Rice's car on the first go-around; focus on the car mentioned in (1). Notice, as Rice begins to plow into the crowd, at no point does the crowd ever attempt to surround the stopped white car. From the start of the video to about the 0:14 mark, when the camera zooms in to show Rice's plowing through the crowd, and the white car disappears from view, at no point does the car or the crowd pose an imminent hazard to the other.

Now back it up and follow Rice's black car. Notice that instead of choosing to turn left onto Minnehaha as described above, as the cars (2) did, he chose to pass the white car to the right, where there was clearly no exit. At no point before plowing into the crowd does anyone swarm Rice's car.

Finally, apdst, to refute your horrifically absurd claim that Rice somehow didn't see the escape route, I refer you to an on-the-ground video of the incident. A simple analysis will show that these two videos describe the exact same incident from two different vantage points.



The first few seconds outright proves what I said in post #312: It is physically impossible for Rice to not have been able to notice the escape route to the left. Further, this up-close video shows that there was no sensible reason to expect that by passing the silver car (previously referred to as the white car) on the right, Rice could have expected to quickly drive away.

The retaliatory actions of the protesters on Rice's car are a separate issue and will not be addressed here.

Please, Minneapolis police. Do the right thing and lock this man away until he rots.
 
Okay. Let's try this again. This time, let us look at the video and witnessed what actually happened, not what we believed happened. Let us restart this discussion by focusing not on speculation, but on facts. Pure, honest facts.



0:00--The car in question is near the top of the screen. Based on the description from the local paper and Google street view, the suspect, Jeffrey Patrick Rice, was driving eastbound on Lake Street, attempting to cross the blocked intersection at Minnehaha Street. (Pause for the obligatory giggle.) There are two important things to note here before we roll the tape.

(1) There is a white car stopped in the left eastbound lane on Lake. Its significance will become clear when we roll the tape.

(2) There is a small gap that some cars are using to turn northbound onto Minnehaha. Normally cutting across lanes like this is not allowed, but when there is an obstruction in the roadway, such as was definitely the case here, said cutting can be legally justifiable if it does endanger anyone else.

Roll the tape, but don't focus on Rice's car on the first go-around; focus on the car mentioned in (1). Notice, as Rice begins to plow into the crowd, at no point does the crowd ever attempt to surround the stopped white car. From the start of the video to about the 0:14 mark, when the camera zooms in to show Rice's plowing through the crowd, and the white car disappears from view, at no point does the car or the crowd pose an imminent hazard to the other.

Now back it up and follow Rice's black car. Notice that instead of choosing to turn left onto Minnehaha as described above, as the cars (2) did, he chose to pass the white car to the right, where there was clearly no exit. At no point before plowing into the crowd does anyone swarm Rice's car.

Finally, apdst, to refute your horrifically absurd claim that Rice somehow didn't see the escape route, I refer you to an on-the-ground video of the incident. A simple analysis will show that these two videos describe the exact same incident from two different vantage points.



The first few seconds outright proves what I said in post #312: It is physically impossible for Rice to not have been able to notice the escape route to the left. Further, this up-close video shows that there was no sensible reason to expect that by passing the silver car (previously referred to as the white car) on the right, Rice could have expected to quickly drive away.

The retaliatory actions of the protesters on Rice's car are a separate issue and will not be addressed here.

Please, Minneapolis police. Do the right thing and lock this man away until he rots.


Oh, so you're a mind reader? You know exactly what the driver could see and was thinking?

Right! :lamo
 
Oh, so you're a mind reader? You know exactly what the driver could see and was thinking?

Right! :lamo

Go back and read my post. Show me exactly which FACTS were wrong. I will be waiting.

You are flailing, hard.
 
BTW, I want to give a shout-out to local channel KSTP for covering this incident in real time. When Rice is charged--and he had better be--this video or some version thereof will almost certainly be used as evidence against him. It is much, much more difficult to get away with a crime when it is caught on tape. :)
 
Go back and read my post. Show me exactly which FACTS were wrong. I will be waiting.

You are flailing, hard.

I'm not the one claiming to know exactly what the guy was thinking and was visually aware of. Are you prepared to explain how you know all that?
 
I'm not the one claiming to know exactly what the guy was thinking and was visually aware of. Are you prepared to explain how you know all that?

Stop dodging my questions. The evidence against Rice is clear. I am asking you, for the third time: Which FACTS that I documented in post #333 are wrong? What FACTS are in error?
 
Stop dodging my questions. The evidence against Rice is clear. I am asking you, for the third time: Which FACTS that I documented in post #333 are wrong? What FACTS are in error?

Be careful - he will try and hold you accountable for what he does not know.

Good luck.
 
Stop dodging my questions. The evidence against Rice is clear. I am asking you, for the third time: Which FACTS that I documented in post #333 are wrong? What FACTS are in error?

Your claim that you know exactly what he was thinking isn't a fact. It's an opinion.
 
Your claim that you know exactly what he was thinking isn't a fact. It's an opinion.

Your repeated dodging of the issues are noted. I will remember this the next time we square off on an issue.

Good night.
 
Your repeated dodging of the issues are noted. I will remember this the next time we square off on an issue.

Good night.

Oh, please do! :lamo
 
Your repeated dodging of the issues are noted. I will remember this the next time we square off on an issue.

Good night.

Bingo!
 
This is your first post in the thread, so I thought we did pretty well. Considering the responses about how great it was, I wasn't actually far off.
You're nothing more than a hack, and your post proves it.
 
Would it not be self defense to hit a driver who is currently running people over right around you?

|f someone had a gun and shot a person who was intentionally running people down would it not be self defense?

Would it not be self defense to hit people who you believe will pull you out of your car and beat you?
 
Oh, so you're a mind reader? You know exactly what the driver could see and was thinking?

Right! :lamo

Let me tell you what I see in the video. The car in question is in the left hand lane and moves over into the right hand lane. He is trying to obey traffic laws by not doing what everyone else is doing and driving into an apposing lane of traffic in order to dodge protesters that should not legally be blocking the roadway. Probably incensed at the fact that he is the only one following the traffic laws while everyone else is breaking them, he honks his horn. At this point, you can see at the :03-:07 mark on the tape, a man in a black jacket climbing onto the hood of his car. I assume the man took offense to the person in the car honking his horn at him for illegally blocking the intersection. If the protesters allowed cars thru, what would be the point in the protest. The point of the protest is to block traffic in order to gain attention to their cause. So they are doing just that in this video. When someone tries to defy that, they begin to act. He is not running anyone over at this point, simply honked to try to get the protesters out of his way so he can legally proceed thru the intersection. As the man climbs on top of his car he continues to move, other protesters see this and begin to surround his car in order to get it to stop. The driver probably takes this as a threat because he feels he is being surrounded by an angry mob. They clearly are angry at his attempt to thwart their attempt at blocking traffic otherwise they would simply let the man thru. As a white man, surrounded by angry black protesters, what is one to think. We clearly know what to expect based on the violence that has erupted thru the city already. We clearly know what to expect when it mirrors a very similar riot in LA where white people were dragged and nearly beaten to death from their vehicles. This man had that image going thru his head and panicked.. He moved thru a crowd that became more hostile the more he tried to get out of the situation. And as a result, his reaction to them was more hostile in return. I think that is a much more accurate assessment, then your biased assessment above.

The whole situation was started by the man honking at the protesters, and one of the protesters climbing on top of the car. He had climbed on top of the car WELL BEFORE the driver ran anyone over.
 
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