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Car plows through protesters during Ferguson rally in south Minneapolis [W:349]

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In the past I have crossed swords here with right libertarians who strongly resent me stating that their philosophy could lead to fascism and authoritarianism destroying our nation and freedom. Some of the responses here prove I was correct in evaluating their knee jerk tendency. Hatred of the other is such a strong component of far too many of their make-up.
 
What the **** is wrong with these pieces of ****? **** them... the Army should roll through there with a couple of tanks at 60 mph. clear the ****s out quick.

Then they could get their guns and right the tyranny. That's what the Second Amendment is for, right?
 
Then they could get their guns and right the tyranny. That's what the Second Amendment is for, right?

You have to wonder what would be the response of the usual crowd here if the people in Ferguson insisted on their right to keep and bear arms as they protested?

Okay - I was being an obvious smartass as we don't have to wonder at all what their reaction would be.
 
I'd punch someone for texting and driving too. Maybe the guy was afraid that the car would hit him. I mean, we all know that it COULD happen. Why should be stand There and wait to get run over?

You may also more that I haven't defended them either.

The guy wasn't driving. Nobody was driving. There were too many "protestors" aka pieces of ****, disrupting normal traffic flow.
 
The guy wasn't driving. Nobody was driving. There were too many "protestors" aka pieces of ****, disrupting normal traffic flow.

It's still drunk driving if you're drunk behind the wheel. Even if you're not moving
 
You have to wonder what would be the response of the usual crowd here if the people in Ferguson insisted on their right to keep and bear arms as they protested?

Okay - I was being an obvious smartass as we don't have to wonder at all what their reaction would be.

I would think that the National Guard occupying your neighborhood is a pretty clear example of tyranny.
 
There's a reason it's called Murderapolis and the City of Wakes.

However, Despite your hysterics, no rioting was happening. I know he may be vaguely on your side and must be defended...but you're shrieking like a hysterical Jewish mother.

I'm a mother, and I've shrieked when I get hysterical. But I'm not Jewish. Do the Jewish mothers sound different than I do when they shriek?
 
It's still drunk driving if you're drunk behind the wheel. Even if you're not moving

Was this guy drunk or are you trying to make an analogy to texting? If the car is not in motion then the law is not being violated with regards to texting...
 
I'm a mother, and I've shrieked when I get hysterical. But I'm not Jewish. Do the Jewish mothers sound different than I do when they shriek?

Put an audio sound bite in so we can tell...
 
I would think that the National Guard occupying your neighborhood is a pretty clear example of tyranny.

:lol: ... nope. It depends on the reason. Rioting, looting and violence against innocent people? The government needs to step in and protect its citizens.
 
:lol: ... nope. It depends on the reason. Rioting, looting and violence against innocent people? The government needs to step in and protect its citizens.

They sent in the Guard before anything happened.
 
They sent in the Guard before anything happened.

Nothing happened before... around a month or two ago? No riots... no nothin'? The Nat. Guard just up and decided to show up for no reason?

EDIT: What happened to the guy that was hit for texting and driving even though he wasn't driving? Not gonna comment on that one now?...
 
Car plows through protesters during Ferguson rally in south Minneapolis

You have to wonder what would be the response of the usual crowd here if the people in Ferguson insisted on their right to keep and bear arms as they protested?

Okay - I was being an obvious smartass as we don't have to wonder at all what their reaction would be.

You are right. The positions would be selective. I, on the other hand, think protesters need to be contained to being display pieces so society can move on as it ought.

Right-wing or Left-wing, protesters need to be prevented from disrupting the operations of society and lawful citizens.
 
You are right. The positions would be selective. I, on the other hand, think protesters need to be contained to being display pieces so society can move on as it ought.

Right-wing or Left-wing, protesters need to be prevented from disrupting the operations of society and lawful citizens.

Could you elaborate on your suggestion of protestors as display pieces etc.?
 
Nothing happened before... around a month or two ago? No riots... no nothin'? The Nat. Guard just up and decided to show up for no reason?

They showed up to impose martial law before the verdict came out. While to some extent, I agree with you, I think the "protecting public safety" aspect could easily be abused by a government intent on keeping protest of any kind from happening.
 
Could you elaborate on your suggestion of protestors as display pieces etc.?

Police cooperation and city government sectioning off certain areas for protesters to have their protests. They should not be allowed to dictate the operations of society and the freedom of movement of other citizens.
 
They showed up to impose martial law before the verdict came out. While to some extent, I agree with you, I think the "protecting public safety" aspect could easily be abused by a government intent on keeping protest of any kind from happening.

Fair enough and I agree with the slippery slope. What about:


EDIT: What happened to the guy that was hit for texting and driving even though he wasn't driving? Not gonna comment on that one now?...
 
Police cooperation and city government sectioning off certain areas for protesters to have their protests. They should not be allowed to dictate the operations of society and the freedom of movement of other citizens.

I certainly sympathize with those concerns. I also sympathize with people who do not want to be isolated off in their protest zones because they are an inconvenient pain in the ass to everybody else. I happen to think that is one of the purposes of a good protester - to be an effective pain in the ass.

Is there not some middle ground that people of good will and those who respect all rights cannot agree on?
 
I certainly sympathize with those concerns. I also sympathize with people who do not want to be isolated off in their protest zones because they are an inconvenient pain in the ass to everybody else. I happen to think that is one of the purposes of a good protester - to be an effective pain in the ass.

Is there not some middle ground that people of good will and those who respect all rights cannot agree on?


I think it is a good middle ground. You have been able to secure permission from society, who bestows upon you a good size area to protest. The police will be there to protect your safety as protesters from the whims of any counter-protest and are there to protect the interests of society as a whole from any destructive impulses you have for society.

I do not think it acceptable in a civilized society to think of my freedomm of movement to being determined by hordes of men and women acting like nothing better than a herde of buffalo (when they are at their most behaved).

You can be an effective protester, but often a good protester is no different from being a good rabble rouser: you might be good at it, but you are potentially scum.

When it comes to large groups of people moving about in disgust and rage, I do not trust them one ounce. I trust government before I do the good nature of my ellow man in a large motivated group.
 
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