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    re: Car plows through protesters during Ferguson rally in south Minneapolis [W:349]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It's a lane change, not a pass, because it happened on the same side of the yellow line.
    Umm, no. Passing on the right can happen on the same side of the yellow line.
    A pass is on two-lane road with traffic moving in both directions, where you cross a yellow line onto the other side of the road into the lane for oncoming traffic.
    No, when you cross the yellow line, the violation is crossing the yellow line; not passing on the right. Also, you have to go left in order to go over the yellow line.

    The law is clear that passing on the right in the conditions we see on the video is not allowed
    http://dor.mo.gov/pdf/Chapter4.pdf

    Passing on the Right
    The driver of a motor vehicle may overtake and pass to the right of another
    vehicle only under the following conditions:
      When the vehicle overtaken is making or about to make a left turn;
      Upon a city street with unobstructed pavement of sufficient width for two
    or more lines of vehicles in each direction;
      Upon a one-way street;
      Upon any highway outside of a city with unobstructed pavement of
    sufficient width and clearly marked for four or more lanes of traffic.
    In no event shall such movement be made by driving off the paved or
    main traveled portion of the roadway (shoulder).
    Through the entire video, the car he passed is several feet before the crosswalk, does not move nor does he signal. There is absolutely no indication that he was ever going to make a left turn. In addition, you can see other cars pass the non-moving car on the left in order to make a left turn.
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    re: Car plows through protesters during Ferguson rally in south Minneapolis [W:349]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It's a misdemeanor, actually:


    It's an additional crime to deliberately obstruct public right-of way, roads, or public access with a protest: http://www.aclu-mn.org/files/9313/28...testRights.pdf
    No one was cited for jaywalking or obstructing traffic

    If you stay in lanes for the same direction of traffic then it's not a pass, it's a lane change, and that's why the driver wasn't cited with a moving violation for going around the car before entering the crowd.
    And the people who were struck by his car appear to be in the crosswalk
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    re: Car plows through protesters during Ferguson rally in south Minneapolis [W:349]

    That is why Mom's all over tell their kids not to play in the streets. Probably shouldn't protest in the streets, screwing up other people's day, that have jobs and responsibilities, when you are wrong. Wait until a real cause comes along, then people won't be running you over and such.
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    re: Car plows through protesters during Ferguson rally in south Minneapolis [W:349]

    Or expressing their first amendment rights--which many Moms were doing.
    Since fright-wingers have no use for this amendment when they don't agree with the cause or issue .
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    re: Car plows through protesters during Ferguson rally in south Minneapolis [W:349]

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    One girl was nearly ran over.
    Right. Nearly ran over, but the driver stopped so as not to run her over, and she wasn't ran over.

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    No, he's not allowed to run them over.
    The driver agrees with you, which is why he stopped before running anyone over. He thought they would have some common sense about them and move out of the way of a moving vehicle. However, if he had applied common sense himself he would have seen that people who brake laws to protest the wrong side of an issue which doesn't even affect them anyway clearly have no common sense and wouldn't respond like a rational person. And the crowed didn't respond rationally as we see.

    The driver is in the wrong, the protesters are in the wrong, and the cops are in the wrong. There is no correct or winning side here, only bad guys fighting bad guys.

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    re: Car plows through protesters during Ferguson rally in south Minneapolis [W:349]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    "Imagine that! We agree. It is best for the driver to resolve his dangerous situation as best he can before he is assaulted."

    Right. The hundreds of foolish people in the streets protesting justice had absolutely nothing to do with it.

    Is that really your argument?
    People have the right away even if it illegal for them to be on the street. That is what protects people. Cars can't just decide to hit people because they are in the way.
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    re: Car plows through protesters during Ferguson rally in south Minneapolis [W:349]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Umm, no. Passing on the right can happen on the same side of the yellow line.
    I was describing a normal pass, not a pass-on-the-right. I describe a pass-on-the-right later in that post.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No, when you cross the yellow line, the violation is crossing the yellow line; not passing on the right.
    Not in a passing zone with a broken yellow line it isn't. Please see this quote from your link for details:
    Passing on the Left
    No vehicle shall at any time be driven to the left side of the roadway under

    the following conditions:
    •  When approaching the crest of a grade or upon a curve of the highway where
    the driver’s view is obstructed within such distance as to create a hazard in
    the event another vehicle might approach from the opposite direction;
    •  When the view is obstructed upon approaching within one hundred feet
    of any bridge, viaduct, or tunnel;
    •  When approaching within one hundred feet of or at any intersection or
    railroad grade crossing; or
    •  When there is a solid yellow line.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Also, you have to go left in order to go over the yellow line.
    Correct. A normal pass occurs on the left, and the yellow line is on the left.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The law is clear that passing on the right in the conditions we see on the video is not allowed
    http://dor.mo.gov/pdf/Chapter4.pdf
    According to your link a pass on the right in this scenario is allowed because:
    Passing on the Right
    The driver of a motor vehicle may overtake and pass to the right of another

    vehicle only under the following conditions:
    •  When the vehicle overtaken is making or about to make a left turn;
    •  Upon a city street with unobstructed pavement of sufficient width for two
    or more lines of vehicles in each direction;
    •  Upon a one-way street;
    •  Upon any highway outside of a city with unobstructed pavement of
    sufficient width and clearly marked for four or more lanes of traffic.
    If there's more than one lane for your direction of traffic, you can pass on the right all you want and this is perfectly legal and safe.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Through the entire video, the car he passed is several feet before the crosswalk, does not move nor does he signal. There is absolutely no indication that he was ever going to make a left turn. In addition, you can see other cars pass the non-moving car on the left in order to make a left turn.
    All of that is true. Even if it's a pass and not a lane change it's still a legal move since there was adequate pavement and space in the lane he moves into so as not to conflict with other vehicles, structures or persons. If he had 'passed' the other car, stopped, and waited for the road to clear before proceeding, he would not have don anything illegal.

    His illegal acts begin as he crosses the stop line and into the crowed and has nothing to do with any other car on the road.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No one was cited for jaywalking or obstructing traffic
    Has the driver been cited for anything?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And the people who were struck by his car appear to be in the crosswalk
    At first, yes. Not the second time, though.
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    re: Car plows through protesters during Ferguson rally in south Minneapolis [W:349]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Right. Nearly ran over, but the driver stopped so as not to run her over, and she wasn't ran over.


    The driver agrees with you, which is why he stopped before running anyone over. He thought they would have some common sense about them and move out of the way of a moving vehicle. However, if he had applied common sense himself he would have seen that people who brake laws to protest the wrong side of an issue which doesn't even affect them anyway clearly have no common sense and wouldn't respond like a rational person. And the crowed didn't respond rationally as we see.

    The driver is in the wrong, the protesters are in the wrong, and the cops are in the wrong. There is no correct or winning side here, only bad guys fighting bad guys.
    The driver was acting irrational. People protest all the time. What other people were ran into that day?

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    re: Car plows through protesters during Ferguson rally in south Minneapolis [W:349]

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    The driver was acting irrational.
    I agree. Road rage is a problem. I hope the driver faces multiple counts of assault with a deadly weapon, just as the protesters should be charged with jaywalking and obstructing public access, and the police Watch Commander should be reprimanded for failing to clear the intersection and maintain order.

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    What other people were ran into that day?
    I'm not sure this thread is about other road-rage incidents.

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    re: Car plows through protesters during Ferguson rally in south Minneapolis [W:349]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    "Imagine that! We agree. It is best for the driver to resolve his dangerous situation as best he can before he is assaulted."

    Right. The hundreds of foolish people in the streets protesting justice had absolutely nothing to do with it.

    Is that really your argument?
    How did you feel about Bundy snipers aiming at Federal agents in protesting justice?
    Why do we break down on the first amendment based on issues and causes, versus the right to be peacefully protest, as these folks were doing ?
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