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Exclusive: George Stephanopoulos Interviews Police Officer Darren Wilson

Excon said:
And?
Why do you think that matters.
He actually ran further than that as he turned around and charged the Officer causing the Officer to back up.
Really, you have no point.
We know he ran after he got shot and got some distance before the Officer was able to get out of his vehicle.
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let's say your account ^ is correct.
at 100 feet away, unarmed, how is he a dangerous lethal threat to the office- and hence worth continuing to be shot at?

it's obvious from the testimony the office was not a highly accurate shot- why was he continuing to fire (and hence tragically perhaps hit a bystander?)

think about what you just said.
 
SlevinKelevra said:
let's say your account ^ is correct.
at 100 feet away, unarmed, how is he a dangerous lethal threat to the office- and hence worth continuing to be shot at?

it's obvious from the testimony the office was not a highly accurate shot- why was he continuing to fire (and hence tragically perhaps hit a bystander?)

think about what you just said.
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Wtf?
He wasn't a hundred feet away from the Officer.
They were both moving in that direction with the Officer commanding him to stop, which he finally did, only to start charging the Officer.
The Officer indicated that Brown got to within 15 feet of him causing him to back up.

The Officer's over-all accuracy is irrelevant to this argument. D'oh!

You saying, "Let's say" just shows you do not know the evidence.
 
Moot said:
Also consider that Wilson was still sitting inside his cruiser and that Brown weighed almost 100lbs more than he did. So it very well may have seemed to Wilson that Brown was towering over him.


It only takes a moment for the brain to decide if its a flight or fight situation. Wilson said he had to fight because he thought Brown was going to shoot him with his own gun. That would suggest that Wilson had his gun pulled out and Brown was close enough to try and wrestle the gun away or try to turn it toward Wilson. No doubt a struggle ensued and the gun went off inside the vehicle and grazed Brown in the hand(?) and caused him to back off(?) and allowed Wilson to pump him full of lead (6 of 12 bullets fired hit Brown). Apparently, the entire confrontation took place within 90 seconds. I think there was plenty of time to do the math.

Meh, the jury is still out for me.
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I agree with most of what you said, but I don't understand why you seem to not know the sequence of events. Wilson clearly explained every shot during the interview. Did you not watch it?
 
Excon said:
Wtf?
He wasn't a hundred feet away from the Officer.
They were both moving in that direction with the Officer commanding him to stop, which he finally did, only to start charging the Officer.
The Officer indicated that Brown got to within 15 feet of him causing him to back up.

The Officer's over-all accuracy is irrelevant to this argument. D'oh!

You saying, "Let's say" just shows you do not know the evidence.
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investigators concluded that he died more than 100 feet from the officer's vehicle.

not sure why I'm banging my head against the wall any more with you if you can't understand how the pieces don't all seem to connect?
 
SlevinKelevra said:
investigators concluded that he died more than 100 feet from the officer's vehicle.

not sure why I'm banging my head against the wall any more with you if you can't understand how the pieces don't all seem to connect?
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And again. What is it you do not understand about the dynamic incident? It wasn't static.

Being a hundred feet from the vehicle does not mean he was a hundred feet from the officer. Do you really not understand that?

You not understanding that simple fact suggests that you are not capable of understanding that the pieces do connect. Clearly you are in, and the cause of, the vicious circle of head banging you are in. It is a no win situation for you. Unless you come back to reality quick, you will be stuck in it.
 
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1750Texan said:
If I were George I would have asked him...

if you were in your vehicle and in possession of the weapon...and the suspect was fleeing, why did you not call and wait for back up?

Was that part of your training?

If the other suspect did not flee, did you not think "I have one...I can get the other later"?

Was that part of your training.
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So your contention is when criminals become violent, cops should allow them to run away and wait for backup. Then, when said criminal hurts another citizen (which this guy had already done), the complaint will be "why did the cop let him get away". It's obvious to me that LEO's are in a lose lose situation 90% of the time. Damned if they do, damned if they dont. A great example is black "leaders" in Ferguson complaining about not having National Guard and riot police protecting local businesses when last time rioting occurred they complained that the reaction was too militarized.
 
He needs a PR Team to handle him now (and probably a bodyguard or two). If I were in charge of him, I would not recommend that he do this for many reasons. Not the least among which he looks quite different than the picture/pictures we had seen of him, which were of him in his police uniform earlier in the year receiving an award of some sort. This makes him more recognizable. Just my 2 cents.

Oh, and **** the media. They share responsibility for how this whole thing got so out of hand. He owes them, and us, nothing.
 
Excon said:
And again. What is it you do not understand about the dynamic incident? It wasn't static.

Being a hundred feet from the vehicle does not mean he was a hundred feet from the officer. Do you really not understand that?

You not understanding that simple fact suggests that you are not capable of understanding that the pieces do connect. Clearly you are in, and the cause of, the vicious circle of head banging you are in. It is a no win situation for you. Unless you come back to reality quick, you will be stuck in it.
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did you not read the testimony and statements that were offered to the public? the part about the distance brown fled before he turned around and began his "rush" at the officer?
protip, it doesnt seem to allow math to add up for a death of 120 feet or more from the vehicle.
 
SlevinKelevra said:
did you not read the testimony and statements that were offered to the public? the part about the distance brown fled before he turned around and began his "rush" at the officer?
protip, it doesnt seem to allow math to add up for a death of 120 feet or more from the vehicle.
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:doh
You are speaking more nonsense.
Why do you still not understand that the total measurement from the vehicle does add up.
Brown ran and continue to run after the Officer was able to get out of the car with the Officer commanding him to stop. They both moved far from the vehicle.
This is supported not just by Officer Wilson's account but by other actual witness testimony.
It is you who obviously does not understand the dynamics of a chase and how far a person can run in a short amount of time.
 
Excon said:
:doh
You are speaking more nonsense.
Why do you still not understand that the total measurement from the vehicle does add up.
Brown ran and continue to run after the Officer was able to get out of the car with the Officer commanding him to stop. They both moved far from the vehicle.
This is supported not just by Officer Wilson's account but by other actual witness testimony.
It is you who obviously does not understand the dynamics of a chase and how far a person can run in a short amount of time.
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Ferguson police say Michael Brown was a robbery suspect, identify Darren Wilson as officer who shot him - The Washington Post
St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar did say Brown was hit “multiple times” and died about 35 feet from the police car where the confrontation occurred.
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Ferguson Documents: Officer Darren Wilson's Testimony : The Two-Way : NPR
a similar number is given in this document (25-35 'feet')

now explain how 35 feet from the vehicle adds up to over 120 feet from the vehicle?

did he mean 35 yards? maybe so. will we ever know? doubtful.

It's just a shame that almost nobody is noticing this seeming error or contradiction ? Maybe they're too busy posting on message boards.
 
SlevinKelevra said:
Ferguson police say Michael Brown was a robbery suspect, identify Darren Wilson as officer who shot him - The Washington Post



Ferguson Documents: Officer Darren Wilson's Testimony : The Two-Way : NPR
a similar number is given in this document (25-35 'feet')

now explain how 35 feet from the vehicle adds up to over 120 feet from the vehicle?

did he mean 35 yards? maybe so. will we ever know? doubtful.

It's just a shame that almost nobody is noticing this seeming error or contradiction ? Maybe they're too busy posting on message boards.
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First. Let me get this oput of the way.
:doh Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! :lamo

:2rofll:

That said.
Just how in the world do you think what the chief said is relevant?
Huh?
Was he a witness? Did he testify?
If you do not know the answer to those is "no", something is wrong.

1. You have no idea why the Chief said what he did.
It could have been an error in reading or in the information he was given, 35 yards instead of feet.
It could also have even been a purposeful lie to trick the false witnesses. You do know Police do that, right?

2. It doesn't matter one bit to what was testified to the Grand Jury.
The fact that it mattes not one iota is the bottom line, and you bringing it up is grasping in the extreme.
 
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I watched the interview last night on the news, and found Wilson to be quite credible. I think he did the best he could do under the circumstances.

At least as demonstrated in the convenience store video and Wilson's story, Brown was a bully, at least that day at that time. No angel, he.
 
SlevinKelevra said:
investigators concluded that he died more than 100 feet from the officer's vehicle.

not sure why I'm banging my head against the wall any more with you if you can't understand how the pieces don't all seem to connect?
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Let me try to help you out in why you aren't understanding.. 100 feet from the vehicle does not equal 100 feet from the Darren Wilson. Get it?
 
buck said:
Let me try to help you out in why you aren't understanding.. 100 feet from the vehicle does not equal 100 feet from the Darren Wilson. Get it?
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and 100 feet isn't the # the police chief gave 2 months ago(35 feet from vehicle), and it's a number that is seemingly contradicted by a statement in the released testimony document (~30 feet IIRC).

Get it?
 
SlevinKelevra said:
and 100 feet isn't the # the police chief gave 2 months ago(35 feet from vehicle), and it's a number that is seemingly contradicted by a statement in the released testimony document (~30 feet IIRC).

Get it?
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Completely irrelevant to the discussion that was occuring. What we do know based on the evidence is that brown was close enough to Wilson to cause Wilson to fear for his life and continue backpeddaling to keep distance. It was not 100 feet away.
 
buck said:
Completely irrelevant to the discussion that was occuring. What we do know based on the evidence is that brown was close enough to Wilson to cause Wilson to fear for his life and continue backpeddaling to keep distance. It was not 100 feet away.
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*continues banging head against desk* 100+ feet is in reference to distance from the vehicle where he was killed.


I give up.
 
SlevinKelevra said:
*continues banging head against desk* 100+ feet is in reference to distance from the vehicle where he was killed.
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Here is what you said:
at 100 feet away, unarmed, how is he a dangerous lethal threat to the office- and hence worth continuing to be shot at?
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The distance from the vehicle has nothing to do with the distance to the cop and wether a man charging you (after having just beat you) is a lethal threat.
 
buck said:
Here is what you said:


The distance from the vehicle has nothing to do with the distance to the cop and wether a man charging you (after having just beat you) is a lethal threat.
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No, that is not what I said. I said "let's say your account is correct" aka hypothetically debating its merits (in order to show how ridiculous they were)

Quoting out of context, welcome to ignore list (as if you care).
 
SlevinKelevra said:
No, that is not what I said. I said "let's say your account is correct" aka hypothetically debating its merits (in order to show how ridiculous they were)

Quoting out of context, welcome to ignore list (as if you care).
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Yes, you said that once out of many times. Here it is again, without such a qualifier.

he kept advancing, while getting shot, from over 100 feet away?

remarkable endurance/pain threshhold, and remarkable accuracy under duress with a service issued gun?
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It's obvious you believe that since he was 100 feet from the vehicle, Brown couldn't have been such a threat to require Wilson to keep shooting. It's obvious you were confused and didn't realize that things continued and changed, wether I am on the ignore list or not. I wonder if you are familiar with the blood trail going about 25 feet towards the officer.. Meaning the forensics indicate Brown changed direction and was coming back at Wilson. Obviously Brown kept advancing approximately 25 feet before being killed.
 
1750Texan said:
How was allowing him to testify before a GJ a good move? Did he not have a defense attorney?

Just imagine a murder suspect being asked by the prosecution to testify to the GJ unchallenged as to the events of the incident...The GJ who is to determine whether to indict you or not.

Just unheard of.
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I agree - and I believe I said similar at the time - in the circumstances, however, it was the right move because the forensic evidence supported his account of the event far more than the accounts of some witnesses - he did himself a favour there. But that should have been his entire on the record account of the events - the more he talks, the likelier it will be that he contradicts something previously said, even in a minor way, and that will be used against him.
 
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ocean515 said:
The answers to your questions would be evident if you knew something about GJ testimony and proceedings.
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I need to stop using question marks for rhetorical questions.

It is evident that allowing wilson to testify unchallenged before the GJ was an excellent move for someone the DA NEVER treated as "the accused".

Secondly, it is also evident that wilson did not need a defense attorney as the FPD and the DA worked as his defense team.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I agree - and I believe I said similar at the time - in the circumstances, however, it was the right move because the forensic evidence supported his account of the event far more than the accounts of some witnesses - he did himself a favour there. But that should have been his entire on the record account of the events - the more he talks, the likelier it will be that he contradicts something previously said, even in a minor way, and that will be used against him.
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Exactly.

As to the testimony presented the Gj, If the DA were to looking for an indictment for a civilian suspect, the DA would have never [IMO] present any testimony or evidence that would have not work toward and indictment.

Clearly this was not a case the DA was working for an indictment. Very much unlike every other GJ proceedings called for by the DA.
 
1750Texan said:
Exactly.

As to the testimony presented the Gj, If the DA were to looking for an indictment for a civilian suspect, the DA would have never [IMO] present any testimony or evidence that would have not work toward and indictment.

Clearly this was not a case the DA was working for an indictment. Very much unlike every other GJ proceedings called for by the DA.
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I agree with that. I have no evidence to prove it, but I believe the DA had no intention of bringing this to a GJ and he was forced by politics to bring it. That's why he took no position in the matter and why he presented all evidence supporting all sides, unvarnished.

In some respects, that's probably the way all evidence should be presented at GJs - let trying the case wait for the trial.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I agree with that. I have no evidence to prove it, but I believe the DA had no intention of bringing this to a GJ and he was forced by politics to bring it. That's why he took no position in the matter and why he presented all evidence supporting all sides, unvarnished.

In some respects, that's probably the way all evidence should be presented at GJs - let trying the case wait for the trial.
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The DA presented all the evidence that was available. How would that guarantee an acquittal?
 
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