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FBI reports 27 cops were killed last year. But how many civilians...

CRUE CAB said:
Disband all PDs and patrol yourself.
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I don't necessarily think that pointing out the sheer number of civilians cops kill and stating that there should be something we can do to control it is akin to dismissing the full of the police.
 
Ikari said:
I don't necessarily think that pointing out the sheer number of civilians cops kill and stating that there should be something we can do to control it is akin to dismissing the full of the police.
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Not exactly what I was responding to. Thanks anyway.
 
MarineTpartier said:
So sick of the anti-LE attitude of our society. There's a few simple ways to avoid a run in with a cop. 1) Don't commit a crime 2) Stay away from areas where crimes are typically committed. 3) Do what you're told when you approached by a LEO. If people would follow those simple rules, a vast majority of the incidents that occur wouldn't happen. Are all cops great guys? No they're not. But most of them are good citizens that are doing a job most of you whining on this forum dont have the balls to do. So instead of constantly second guessing their actions, how about giving them the benefit of the doubt every once in a while. Lastly, remember one thing. You can whine, bi***, and moan all you want about cops. But when you wake up at 2am to a window breaking in your home, remember who's coming to help.
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About 10 minutes too late to do anything. If someone is breaking into your place, cops cannot be there instantaneously. Better off providing for your own protection in that case.
 
Tameamea said:
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I must say, I understand the people in Ferguson in their outrage, for this is definitely not the first case, and no the last one. Just remember the recent story of the 12-year-old. How many are to follow? Can we stop them? Should we follow the example of Ferguson?
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This is what I was responding to specifically.
 
I read an article that said that you are 8 times more likely to be killed by a cop than a terrorist... that seems low. I don't see terrorists EVER around here but I see cops a lot.

Another also stated that around 5,000 civilians were killed by cops. That is 500 more than the 4,500 soldiers killed in Iraq during the same time period. While I know a lot of the civilians are scum bag gangs and such... a lot are innocent people, including children, like the ones shot during no-knock raids to THE WRONG HOUSE.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Then tell people that if they are not going to do the job themselves. Quit complaining.
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I'm sorry, but that doesn't make the tiniest bit of sense.

Saying "you can have abusive cops, or no cops at all" is a false choice. There is no question that we can take many steps to improve police accountability and behavior, including:

• Assign internal investigations to agencies outside of the police force
• Require local police departments to report all fatal shootings to a state and/or federal agency
• Provide body cameras for police

There is no magic wand that will fix police abuse. That doesn't mean there is absolutely nothing anyone can possibly do to improve accountability.
 
clownboy said:
You're calling him out as saying something definitive when he didn't. He, like you, is supposing, theorizing. You're the pot calling the kettle black here.
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Dude, you're adding meaning where there is none. He implied that all 5,000 deserved to die. I called him on it. Apparently you are the president of his fan club coming to his aid. I'm pretty sure that someone who has earned a CIB is perfectly capable of fighting his own battles.
 
Bodhisattva said:
I read an article that said that you are 8 times more likely to be killed by a cop than a terrorist... that seems low. I don't see terrorists EVER around here but I see cops a lot.

Another also stated that around 5,000 civilians were killed by cops. That is 500 more than the 4,500 soldiers killed in Iraq during the same time period. While I know a lot of the civilians are scum bag gangs and such... a lot are innocent people, including children, like the ones shot during no-knock raids to THE WRONG HOUSE.
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And what that article didn't tell you was that you're probably 1000 times more likely to be killed by a another civilian than the police.

And once again, how many of those 5,000 had taken or destroyed lives before the police killed them. How many were suicide by cop?
 
LagerHead said:
Dude, you're adding meaning where there is none. He implied that all 5,000 deserved to die. I called him on it. Apparently you are the president of his fan club coming to his aid. I'm pretty sure that someone who has earned a CIB is perfectly capable of fighting his own battles.
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You were rattling on with your own presumptions while attacking what was essentially a toss off comment prefaced by "It looks like".
 
Visbek said:
I'm sorry, but that doesn't make the tiniest bit of sense.

Saying "you can have abusive cops, or no cops at all" is a false choice. There is no question that we can take many steps to improve police accountability and behavior, including:

• Assign internal investigations to agencies outside of the police force
• Require local police departments to report all fatal shootings to a state and/or federal agency
• Provide body cameras for police

There is no magic wand that will fix police abuse. That doesn't mean there is absolutely nothing anyone can possibly do to improve accountability.
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No matter what cops do, people will find fault.
 
clownboy said:
And what that article didn't tell you was that you're probably 1000 times more likely to be killed by a another civilian than the police.
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Depends on where you live... but that is probably close.

And once again, how many of those 5,000 had taken or destroyed lives before the police killed them. How many were suicide by cop?
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I agree... I acknowledged that in my statement.
 
CRUE CAB said:
No matter what cops do, people will find fault.
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I concur, and not all accusations of wrongdoing are true.

That doesn't mean that all accusations of wrongdoing are false, or that there is nothing we can do at all to improve the situation, or that we have to take officers' testimony at face value.

I.e. if cops are genuinely abusing citizens, there should be no question that the citizens have a right to complain, and try to address the problems.
 
CRUE CAB said:
No matter what cops do, people will find fault.
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Cops came to my kids school to train them to be crossing guards... I had nothing but praise for them.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Bet some parents were less than happy.
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This is not the USA... so cops are viewed very differently here. Probably because they talk to people and don't threaten them with arrest, pound them into the ground or shoot innocent people... probably why.
 
Bodhisattva said:
This is not the USA... so cops are viewed very differently here. Probably because they talk to people and don't threaten them with arrest, pound them into the ground or shoot innocent people... probably why.
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Nice. Enjoy your utopia. Don't worry about us.
 
Ikari said:
About 10 minutes too late to do anything. If someone is breaking into your place, cops cannot be there instantaneously. Better off providing for your own protection in that case.
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I know. That's not the point. The point is that when people feel threatened, need help, etc they call the cops. Our society seems to forget that.
 
Interesting thread.
There's a list at Wiki - though I don't know how accurate it is . . . List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States 2014 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

January 2014 . . .

Reached for waistband after told to raise hands.

Produced firearm / engaged officers with fire

Exchanged gunfire

Hmm - this one's interesting. Autopsy reported victim died of self-inflicted gunshot wounds - but officers also opened fire because she sat with a gun in her hand. Family disputes autopsy findings in shooting death | StarNewsOnline.com

This one I remember debating - the family called hte officers to assist with mentally ill son. He charged with a knife and they shot him. Lodi police release names of officers involved in Jan. 25 shooting | The Sacramento Bee

Shot a man while doing a welfare check - and the incident is unclear as to what happened and why it turned into a shooting. Niece: Man slain by SWAT officers

Man shot after refusing to take hands out of pockets. Later they found he was unarmed.

Don't know why this is listed. A former officer killed himself an family in murder-suicide. But that wasn't 'in the line of duty' - Utah Local News - Salt Lake City News, Sports, Archive - The Salt Lake Tribune

Man suspected of attempted robbery confronted and then charged an officer telling him he wasn't going to jail.

LIttle details released on this one - man shot at carwash when officer checked on abandoned vehicle. Yakima Herald Republic | Man shot by police at car wash identified

Now this might be what I'm remembering - the schizophrenic son was threatening mom with a screwdriver. NEW DETAILS: State group defends officers' actions in teen shoot - WECT TV6-WECT.com:News, weather & sports Wilmington, NC

Shot home invasion suspect during a struggle

Shot man who was carrying a machete and confronting officers

Guy was in a shoot off with officers

Guy was shot after officer returned fire

Guy was shot after officers responded to reports of men exchanging fire.

Mentally disabled man was shot after a call RE domestic dispute. Police called to house before fatal shooting | The Columbus Dispatch

Lawyer thought his home was being burglarized - someone called police - and when police arrived the man opened fire. 'Lovable and Laid Back' Texas Lawyer Killed in Police Shootout - ABC News - Sounds like he thought they were robbers and not cops?

Little details given on this one: Mayes County deputy fatally shoots man on New Year's Day - KJRH.com

Man shot and killed after officers responded to reports of a carjacking - little details otherwise. Metro Detroit | Detroit Free Press | freep.com

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So what i see is this [just from looking at one month of incidences listed - I'm sure there were some beyond that list]

A) As we all know - officers really don't know how to respond to the mentally ill / disabled when they become violent.

B) Poor reporting - if you're going to write an article do the research. It's a waste of time otherwise.
 
Put a LEO and I in a room. Count the civilians in the room.
 
cops are almost always civilians too
 
d0gbreath said:
Correct!
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Interesting. So the question in the OP was confusing to you? You just had no idea what they were really talking about?
 
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