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Kobie said:
Well, this is basically nonsense.
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Is it? I saw a lot of excuse making going on in ultra liberal outfits for the rioting in Ferguson. What I hate the most in this whole situation is how blacks seem to want to saintify someone we knew was a criminal and and thug, and conveniently ignore the fact that many of the so called "witnesses" were outright liars.
 
Kobie said:
Oh, I'm not disagreeing with you. However, the outrage here from many people appears to be quite selective.
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What outrage are you wanting? I don't think there are many who supported the actions that happened at Keene were there?
 
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ecofarm said:
To get to the mountain top. Their impetus for the protest might not be legit according to the current case, but there is an underlying motive founded in opposition to systemic privilege.
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Doesn't everybody have the opportunity to try hard in school, get an education and get a well paying job? Why... yes they do.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
Doesn't everybody have the opportunity to try hard in school, get an education and get a well paying job? Why... yes they do.
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But not equal opportunity, as a result of systemic privilege. Are you denying the existence of systemic privilege?
 
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Hangin' Chad said:
Its the Johnny Manziel syndrome........the liberal press gets tired of constantly having to report the criminal behavior of black athletes like Ray Rice (domestic violence); Ray Lewis (involvement in a double murder), Michael Irving (cocaine; domestic violence), etc. So any time they can find a White player that parties and doesn't do the 'Aw sucks, anything I can do for the team' routine they jump all over it. Manziel got front court tickets to an NBA game (he's from a well to do family), went to a frat party at rival Texas and apparently was the first NFL player to go to Las Vegas. You would think he was a double murderer by all the negative press he gets. Comparing Keene to Ferguson is just as ridiculous.
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Reaching much?
 
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ecofarm said:
But not equal opportunity, as a result of systemic privilege. Are you denying the existence of systemic privilege?
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Yes. Take a white trash drug selling cracker dressed with a hoodie versus a well spoken black man dressed with a button down and see who gets the job. There is equal opportunity, in general. Maybe not in some circles of white elite but in mainstream America there certainly is opportunity.
 
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ecofarm said:
But not equal opportunity, as a result of systemic privilege. Are you denying the existence of systemic privilege?
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Absolutely not. There is definitely systematic privilege on behalf of black people in America today. My children, with equal or better tests scores and grades would be shunned aside in the college admissions process for any mediocre black applicant.
 
I think Michael Brown's parents' (Mom & Step-father) 'burn this bitch' speech yesterday will go down in the annals of greatest American speeches of all times along with the Gettysburg Address, JFK's inauguration address, and George Washington's Resignation Speech. It was a classic, complete with drooping pants, underwear and butt crack.:shock:
 
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ecofarm said:
But not equal opportunity, as a result of systemic privilege. Are you denying the existence of systemic privilege?
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It's not based on race, alone.
 
Kobie said:
Oh, I'm not disagreeing with you. However, the outrage here from many people appears to be quite selective.
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Start a thread, or, stop bitching about people not bitching.
 
upsideguy said:
Just for clarity and precision, the GJ did NOT find that Wilson did not commit a crime. We do not know, nor will we likely ever know.

The question before the GJ was whether there was sufficient evidence of probable cause for an indictment and trial. Wilson's innocence, regardless of the GJ determination, would have been presumed. The GJ was only there to decide whether there should be a trial. They decided that the evidence (as presented... with due consideration that how it was presented is an issue) was insufficient to proceed.

Again, Wilson's innocence is presumed; but his actual innocence remains unknown.
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The GJ decided that there wasn't probable cause, so unless you want to deploy the thought police, the GJ has established that Wilson didn't commit a crime.
 
disneydude said:
If you look at Wilson's statement it certainly raises suspicion that he is not being truthful. It doesn't make sense. That may not rise to the level of proof beyond a reasonable doubt but that alone should be enough to establish probable cause to put it in front of a jury in a trial to decide.
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The GJ and just about every legal mind in the country disagrees with you. But then, you're a lawyer. :lamo
 
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disneydude said:
Which illustrates exactly what I said....that the good cops out there should help weed out the bad apples because it makes their job just that much more difficult. However, the code of silence is strong. Hopefully one day the good cops will come to this realization.
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You've been watching too much TV. "Lower the cone of silence Chief!" :lamo
 
disneydude said:
If you look at Wilson's statement it certainly raises suspicion that he is not being truthful. It doesn't make sense. That may not rise to the level of proof beyond a reasonable doubt but that alone should be enough to establish probable cause to put it in front of a jury in a trial to decide.
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The GJ found Wilson's account to be consistent with the forensic evidence.
 
Jack Hays said:
A thief attacked a cop and was shot. Case closed.
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That's pretty much the gist of it. Even the Jeffrey Toobin's (CNN) of this world are coming on board that this was a legitimate shooting. Just like in the Trayvon case it is the uneducated mob rabble that just can't get it simply for emotional reasons.
 
disneydude said:
Almost the whole thing. Starting with that someone who just committed a theft is going to getall in your face to a cop that is politely asking him to get on the sidewalk. If anything, they would comply so that they don't get busted for the theft....or they would run. The part where he allegedly says to a cop holding a gun "You are too much of a ***** to shoot me"....it defies logic. It reads as if someone who is quickly trying to manufacture a story...and trust me, having represented hundreds if not thousands of people charged with crimes, I've read many a manufactured story. This one just rings of fabrication all over it.
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Just drop it. No one here believes you are a lawyer. Maybe you were once a paralegal. And no, we don't trust you.
 
justabubba said:
that's the whole point
there was sufficient probable cause to go to trial
not allowing it to do so, by a manipulated grand jury proceeding, undermines the pursuit of justice and the public's trust in our justice system
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You can assert that all you want, but you were not on the grand jury and did not consider the mountains of evidence presented to the jurors. You have no basis for making an informed judgement as to whether there was probably cause for a trial.
 
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ecofarm said:
But not equal opportunity, as a result of systemic privilege. Are you denying the existence of systemic privilege?
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In this age I do, I mean just look at the new crop of tech billionaires that made their own fortunes.
 
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Kobie said:
I'm certainly not attempting to compare the scale of the two incidents. However, with Ferguson (discussions here and elsewhere), I've seen people advocate shooting looters, people calling the rioters savages, etc. With Keene ... crickets. And part of me can't help but wonder if some of the reason for that is because the Keene perps were largely white.
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No, the difference lies in why they are rioting. In Keene it was a party gone out of control, there's no party element in Ferguson right now. However, I'm all for getting every photo of the rioters from Keene, arresting and jailing them, just as I suggest for Ferguson.
 
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