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1750Texan said:
It has to do with the system.

You want to argue bout rioters, and blacks, and looters...simplistic ****.

I'm 10 steps ahead of your simplistic understanding... Go back to arguing about thugs.
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LOL !!

You are ?? You have yet to prove your 10 steps ahead of anything let alone my " understanding ".

Go back to making ignorant statements about how the Constitution doesn't address the US Justice system .
 
1750Texan said:
It has to do with the system.

You want to argue bout rioters, and blacks, and looters...simplistic ****.

I'm 10 steps ahead of your simplistic understanding... Go back to arguing about thugs.
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A system put in place by? A system monitored by? Go ahead, either admit you don't know enough to know the answer or realize just how far off the beam you've gone in defending a strong arm robber who charged a cop.
 
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Fearandloathing said:
Finally this thread appears to be touching on the root of the problem. In the hopes this will NOT offend, but from where I sit America IS obsessed with race, anytime there is a black-non black confrontation, the headlines are soon filled with it.

The details of this have been hashed, re-hashed and hashhished to death, nothing changes and nothing will change by arguing them further.

This is far greater a problem than the single incident of a white cop shooting a black kid. This strikes at the soft underbelly of the growing distrust in the nation's institutions, from the civil service, to the police, to firefighters [who were attacked trying to fight the fires] to the courts and ultimately to the presidency. The trust isn't just gone, it's rotting in grave.

Why is this "no surprise"? Weeks and weeks have been spent with civic leaders, clergy, and the president himself have spoken to the community to "remain calm" in their legal protests, and in minutes all that evaporated. The situation was as raw as the day it happened, ripe for manipulation. How in the name of God could no one see this coming? No one in DP has even expressed surprise.

That instigators and activists have exploited the tension is no surprise either, at least it shouldn't be, but there again we see the enormity of the issue, and the complete disconnect of the community, the police, and the president.

The sad news is I don't see Ferguson as the last one of these either. Noting is being resolved here.
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These race pimps get their power from conflict, they dont have any incentive to resolve things, in fact its the opposite.
This is a way to use a false narrative to divide Americans, nothing less.
 
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tres borrachos said:
Holy mother of pearl.

Michael Brown's stepfather consoled the dead teen's distraught mother after Monday's controversial grand jury announcement and then turned to the crowd of demonstrators, saying, "Burn this mother f---er down" and "Burn this bitch down," according to a New York Times video.

The comments by Brown's stepfather, Louis Head, came shortly before an eruption of rage by some protesters over the decision not to indict police Officer Darren Wilson in the August shooting death of 18-year-old Brown in Ferguson, Missouri.
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Than the father should receive the same as the son.

You wanna incite violence? May it come upon your house ten-fold.
 
clownboy said:
And where are you getting yours? I get mine from the published evidence. Btw, I rarely watch TV.
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Published evidence? The only "evidence" that is worth a damn... is that which is presented in court of law. Police investigated assessment or findings is not evidence.

Only in Ferguson does the defendant...[the person under investigation] get to give his side of the incident to the GJ.
 
1750Texan said:
You are ignorant of history. Read up on the Bonus Army riots and other American riots throughout history. Open a book once in a while.
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Their perception is that the system is broken. Whether it is or not is not in their domain. We have a system to protect the citizenry and these protestors, despite their claims. For the good of society and civilization, rioters need to be clamped down.
 
tres borrachos said:
A black man in New Hampshire named Michael Addison killed a white police officer named Michael Briggs on October 16, 2006. He was arrested in Massachusetts the following day, and extradited back to New Hampshire where he was charged with capital murder.

The first pre-trial hearing did not happen until November 17, 2006.

He was indicted by the Grand Jury on February 23, 2007.

Google it if you don't believe me. It happened right where I live.

And it proves your statement to be bull****.

These posts are getting more and more absurd.
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So it took more than 5 minutes. He was indicted though, correct? And probably rightfully so. The point being, grand juries and juries are always reluctant to indict or convict a cop simply because of the uniform. That is the bottom line.
 
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Perotista said:
you're right and part of the problem is our political system itself. The divide and conquer of our political campaigns that turns blocks of voters against each other. Blacks against whites, Hispanics against whites, rich against the poor, even at time blacks and hispanics against Asians. Religious against the non-religious and on and on. Divide and conquer, make on group hate the other in search of votes. The problem is this has been going on for a long time and the longer it goes on the more hate for each other exists.

Here in Georgia one of our senate candidates sent out a mailer to just black folks basically stating if they didn't get out and vote for her, there would be a bunch of Ferguson's taking place in Georgia. Divide and conquer in search for votes. It's a wonder there haven't been a ton of Ferguson's.
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Im a conservative white male so Im pretty much always the bad guy, based on race, sex, and political ideology. :doh
 
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ChezC3 said:
Than the father should receive the same as the son.

You wanna incite violence? May it come upon your house ten-fold.
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That man should be arrested. He incited a riot.
 
Fiddytree said:
Their perception is that the system is broken. Whether it is or not is not in their domain. We have a system to protect the citizenry and these protestors, despite their claims. For the good of society and civilization, rioters need to be clamped down.
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Who are "their"?
 
1750Texan said:
Published evidence? The only "evidence" that is worth a damn... is that which is presented in court of law. Police investigated assessment or findings is not evidence.

Only in Ferguson does the defendant...[the person under investigation] get to give his side of the incident to the GJ.
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Wow, you've really gone overboard displaying a complete lack of knowledge regarding our Constitution, our legal system and this event. NONE of what you posted is true.
 
Fenton said:
No I don't believe they will but that doesn't mean they shouldn't.

" Prudence " doesn't dictate the enforcement or non-enforcment of existing laws.

Thats because " prudence " is subjective. The enforcement of existing laws is objective.

Inciting a riot is actively calling for the victimization of innocent people in your own community.

The Police are hired to defend and protect those people, not the guy calling for mass property damage and violence

"Prudence " in this case just lets other criminals know what they can get away with the next time something like this happens.

The Police and the prosecutor have seriously dropped the ball here.
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It's not necessary at this moment and will only make matters worse. If he's out there again leading the charge, yes, he should be arrested. There will be decisions that are made for the good of the community and the effectiveness of establishing control.
 
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tres borrachos said:
That man should be arrested. He incited a riot.
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Nah, if we're to make him a martyr, might as well take it all the way...
 
disneydude said:
So it took more than 5 minutes. He was indicted though, correct? And probably rightfully so. The point being, grand juries and juries are always reluctant to indict or convict a cop simply because of the uniform. That is the bottom line.
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Your point was ridiculous. "He would have been indicted in 5 minutes". Not true, and you don't know anything about how grand juries work.

He was convicted because unlike in the Brown case, there were no lying witnesses, there was forensic evidence, and indicting him was the right decision.

By a grand jury, no less. The kind of jury you people are attacking without having any knowledge of what they are and how they work.
 
disneydude said:
So it took more than 5 minutes. He was indicted though, correct? And probably rightfully so. The point being, grand juries and juries are always reluctant to indict or convict a cop simply because of the uniform. That is the bottom line.
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Any reluctance is not because of the uniform but rather because these are the men and women who train constantly to stay within the law. Civilians, not so much.
 
1750Texan said:
Who are "their"?
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Protesters and rioters. We have a system in place meant to ensure their safety. Their willful attempts to destroy that endanger everyone. They need to be detained if they are a threat to the property and lives of others.
 
tres borrachos said:
Your point was ridiculous. "He would have been indicted in 5 minutes". Not true, and you don't know anything about how grand juries work.

He was convicted because unlike in the Brown case, there were no lying witnesses, there was forensic evidence, and indicting him was the right decision.

By a grand jury, no less. The kind of jury you people are attacking without having any knowledge of what they are and how they work.
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LOL....I am a criminal law attorney.....I think I know a little about how grand juries work. Too funny.
 
1750Texan said:
Published evidence? The only "evidence" that is worth a damn... is that which is presented in court of law. Police investigated assessment or findings is not evidence.

Only in Ferguson does the defendant...[the person under investigation] get to give his side of the incident to the GJ.
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Ferguson Witnesss Told Investigators That Michael Brown Charged Cop "Like a Football Player. Head Down" | The Smoking Gun


" A handwritten witness account stating that the teenager charged at Officer Darren Wilson “like a football player. Head down.”

The unidentified witness wrote that the 18-year-old Brown “has his arms out with attitude,” while “The cop just stood there.” The witness added, “Dang if that kid didn’t start running right at the cop like a football player. Head down.”

The witness told of hearing “3 bangs,” but “the big kid wouldn’t stop.”


You Lose........
 
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tres borrachos said:
That man should be arrested. He incited a riot.
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He won't be, because of the optics of such a move.

But by law, he should be held accountable for his role. He said "burn this bitch" and "burn this mother****er" to an angry crowd which proceeded to commit mass arson and drive away firefighters with handguns.

The protesters' actions last night were beyond the pale.
 
clownboy said:
Any reluctance is not because of the uniform but rather because these are the men and women who train constantly to stay within the law.
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It absolutely is about the uniform.. Jurors will bend over backwards to find reasons not to convict or indict.
 
disneydude said:
OK....tell that to the California Bar and my employer. Maybe it is you who doesn't understand and are projecting.
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Sure I'd love to inform the bar that there is someone who doesn't understand the grand jury system masquerading as a lawyer on an internet forum. Same with your employer.
 
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