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Ferguson LIVE announcement video feed links here [W:60, 267]

Chaddelamancha said:
Not according to a grand jury, who saw all the evidence.
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they saw the evidence but the testimonies were never subjected to cross examination. it was a one-sided affair
hardly the stuff that causes the truth to emerge
 
justabubba said:
which is why i would want to see how wilson would respond on the witness stand, replying in cross examination, allowing us to evaluate the reasonableness of his presentations
a trial is needed for that to occur
which is why probable cause should have been found by the grand jury
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You don't want a trial. You want a kangaroo court.
 
Darren Wilson met with the grand jury.

Grand Jury Volume 05

It starts on page 196.


justabubba said:
which is why i would want to see how wilson would respond on the witness stand, replying in cross examination, allowing us to evaluate the reasonableness of his presentations
a trial is needed for that to occur
which is why probable cause should have been found by the grand jury
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Sabanist said:
How would you know if it clearly was not warranted. Tell you what, lets piss off a 280lb guy and have him charge at you while you hold the weapon. Im sure you would holster up and talk him down
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Don't you just love these Monday morning quarterbacks who don't think Michael Brown beat the officer enough, didn't try to take his gun enough, was just a 285lb 'child' charging at the officer after assaulting him. I'm sure there are a lot of dead cops out there who made the other decision. My parents taught me to respect police officers, obey their commands, don't try to take their weapons, and don't assault them. It has been good advice for 50+ years. Unfortunately, Michael Brown's parents didn't instill that advice in him and he didn't make his 19th year. The same family screaming 'burn this bitch down' last night.
 
justabubba said:
allow the truth to emerge
subject the testimony to cross examination
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Waste time and money on a unwinable verdict to appease the ignorant masses.

( it wouldn't appease them )
 
I didn't discredit any of the witnesses. I wasn't part of the process. I don't need a trial to tell me whether or not the grand jury did it's job. I trust that the 12 men and women knew what they were supposed to do and did it. Those who disagree with the grand jury all want a trial without having all of the evidence. That's not justice.


justabubba said:
how do you know that they were wrong? there was no trial
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justabubba said:
they saw the evidence but the testimonies were never subjected to cross examination. it was a one-sided affair
hardly the stuff that causes the truth to emerge
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Most of the witnesses against Wilson lied. I think the DA is being generous by not charging them with perjury.
 
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Grim17 said:
The fact is, every person from Missouri that was arrested (38) was within 8 miles of Ferguson and 6 miles due east of Ferguson is the Illinois state line, where 4 of those arrested were from. Meaning that 42 out of the 52 arreated were likely living in adjacent suburbs to Ferguson, so the entire headline saying that 93% arrested were not from Ferguson is very misleading.
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I don't think it matters if the person lived 6 miles away or 600. They came to someone else's neighborhood and destroyed it. Then went back to their own neighborhoods where their Convenient store, McDonald's, pharmacy, etc. were still standing , not inconvenienced in the slightest.
 
justabubba said:
how do you know that they were wrong? there was no trial
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Many of the witnesses admitted they were wrong. Some of them admitted they lied, some admitted they didn't see all of what they claimed to see, and some admitted they weren't there at all.
 
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ecofarm said:
Protesters want that and will use legal channels for such. Hooligans and gang members want chaos. This is true in every setting. Why are you conflating the two?
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When you see cars burning and shops looted it's hard to separate the two. Knowing who the adult is in the crowd, is difficult.
 
justabubba said:
which is why i would want to see how wilson would respond on the witness stand, replying in cross examination, allowing us to evaluate the reasonableness of his presentations
a trial is needed for that to occur
which is why probable cause should have been found by the grand jury
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While I understand how you (or anyone else) might feel that way it would be incredibly unfair to subject someone that is obviously operating within the bounds of the law to be subjected to the whims of a jury. Besides, would having a trial really have helped this situation? When the evidence was presented that all the physical evidence supported Wilson and that several of the witness statements supporting Brown were either unsupported by physical evidence or made up out of whole cloth it would have been pretty damned hard to get a conviction on anything.

I'm looking through the whole transcript now to find the specifics but last night I heard that blood evidence on the street pretty much proved that Brown had turned and run at Wilson. If that's the case then that pretty much locks down Wilson's version as fact. There was absolutely nothing unfair that the state did in this process. The only unfair thing I've seen so far is that Ferguson got wrecked and any good people that live there will never get the stain of stupid off themselves.
 
Hatuey said:
It's a good thing you dropped it. I wouldn't want you to actually post what I said and admit I didn't claim anything about your statements but an argument made by the rightwing ideology.
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Already did a ways back. Now,

#675

Read it, learn it, take it to heart. Get back on topic.
 
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avery45 said:
When you see cars burning and shops looted it's hard to separate the two. Knowing who the adult is in the crowd, is difficult.
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That doesn't excuse you from rational discourse.
 
justabubba said:
allow the truth to emerge
subject the testimony to cross examination
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You can't cross examine physical evidence.

But, if you want to put Dorian Johnson on the stand and make him admit that he participated in the assault, that would be ****ing hillarious.
 
justabubba said:
but that was not the issue i was presenting
my point was to look at the face of the cop, photographed at the emergency room immediately after the incident
and by looking at that photo to conclude how truthful the cop's testimony was when asserting that he believed the next blow to that face could have been fatal
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and i asked the forum community to ask themselves, is this the face of a shooter who reasonably believed the next punch to it could have proven fatal? was the cop being honest in his grand jury testimony?
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Didn't listen to the testimony of any of the witnesses that weren't found to be lying did you? He was struggling with two strongarm robbery suspects, one much bigger than him. One going for his gun.

The picture doesn't show his injuries at that exposure.
 
justabubba said:
i don't know
which is why a trial is needed to make that determination
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Not really up on the legal process are you? The Grand Jury in this case made that determination. That's what a GJ does, determines if there's enough evidence to bring the matter to trial. In this case the prosecutor showed his whole hand to the GJ.
 
tres borrachos said:
Many of the witnesses admitted they were wrong. Some of them admitted they lied, some admitted they didn't see all of what they claimed to see, and some admitted they weren't there at all.
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but did all of the witnesses, whose testimony was in conflict with wilson's, admit they lied?
i don't think so
and i would want a trial to be able to sort out the truth from the fabrication
which is why i believe a finding of probable cause - NOT probable guilt - NOT probable innocence - should have been rendered by the grand jury
 
justabubba said:
which is why i would want to see how wilson would respond on the witness stand, replying in cross examination, allowing us to evaluate the reasonableness of his presentations
a trial is needed for that to occur
which is why probable cause should have been found by the grand jury
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Probable cause should have been found because YOU want the dog and pony show? :lamo
 
clownboy said:
Not really up on the legal process are you? The Grand Jury in this case made that determination. That's what a GJ does, determines if there's enough evidence to bring the matter to trial. In this case the prosecutor showed his whole hand to the GJ.
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the prosecutor massively influences the outcome
he presents information to the grand jury which information is never subjected to cross examination
and without a trial the truth does not emerge from those circumstances where there are two conflicting positions about the unfolding of events
 
clownboy said:
Probable cause should have been found because YOU want the dog and pony show? :lamo
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i want the truth to emerge
wilson may have been justified in the shooting
but he may not have been
a jury trial would have allowed me to come to a determination i believed to be just
 
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