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disneydude said:
Once again a thug gets away with murder because he carries a badge. I'm tired of jurors letting these murderers walk. The video was clear.
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You ever heard of a jury taking 100+ days to decide whether a black man is guilty?
 
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Black Dog said:
This is a travesty. These people are not protesting... They are out to party, destroy and steal. That's it. Do you think the guy walking out of the store with a 40oz he did not obviously pay for gives a damn? Of course not. Opportunistic parasites, all of em.
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Well my take on it Black Dog is this was a well planned event by several "community organizers". After all isn't that what Alinsky taught his students is to take any opportunity for any "action" then becomes acceptable if it destroys or undermines the "status quo" and brings “change” ?This is radical anti-stability attacking just another institution (law enforcement) which is so needed in maintaining a free society,
 
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Anthony60 said:
I wonder how many of these people actually live in Ferguson? I'd be willing to bet not many. Just there for the opportunity to steal.
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The listed population of Ferguson Missouri is only 21,000.
 
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clownboy said:
It can.
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Ah, okay, show us pictures of orbital fractures caused by violence to prove your point, thanks.
 
disneydude said:
Once again a thug gets away with murder because he carries a badge. I'm tired of jurors letting these murderers walk. The video was clear.
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You realize that some of those jurors were black right? Besides, were you a part of the grand jury? If not, how do you know that he "got away with murder". I'll take a wild guess and say you've just been assuming like every other black on TV it seems.
 
Hatuey said:
You ever heard of a jury taking 100+ days to decide whether a black man is guilty?
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So what?

Better to be thorough than quick.
 
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Zyphlin said:
Incorrect. IT was not JUST civilians who poured the metaphorical gasoline onto this situation. Some civilians absolutely ahve
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What are you trying to say? Do you agree that it was a combined problem of the police force, a few civilians, and potentially other forces as well?

Exactly the same? Of course not. But the media didn't make people shoot at police, the media didn't set buildings and cars on fire, the media didn't loot buildings, the media didn't throw things at police. Those people who did do that aren't somehow bereft of any kind of blame or shouldn't have finger pointed at them simply because the media enflamed things. The media, sadly, is also a give and take type of thing...they can help enflame things, but people have to buy in and help exacerbate it for it to actually have any impact, and the cycle just continues agin and again.

I'm not saying that only one side is worthy of having fingers pointed at them...that's you. I'm saying that the news coverage on this absolutely deserves criticism, but it doesn't excuse those that are making their own conscious decisions to do wrongful actions.
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And that right there is the George W. Bush defense. "I didn't pull the trigger, or throw the molotov (or whatever they were that started tonight's literal fires), so I am completely innocent in this matter." Bullcrap the media is innocent. They. Agitated. Ferguson. Period.
 
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Black Dog said:
This is a travesty. These people are not protesting... They are out to party, destroy and steal. That's it. Do you think the guy walking out of the store with a 40oz he did not obviously pay for gives a damn? Of course not. Opportunistic parasites, all of em.
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I've seen two of the largest riots in America, the Watts Riot in 1965 and the riots in L.A. in 1992. Why do they always burn down their own neighborhoods and then complain why nobody wants to open a business in their neighborhoods after the looting and arson ?
 
Erod said:
Remember all the riots after OJ was acquired? Me neither.
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If people riot, people riot. It shouldn't be made into a matter of "black people riot and white people don't," because I have seen mostly white rioters many times. The fact is, rioters riot. It's shouldn't be a racial issue of stereotyping.
 
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Phys251 said:
Tell that to the libertarians and see how well it goes over.

Speaking of which. The complacency from the libertarians on this case is astounding. I thought they supported limited government? Is their idea of "limited government" shooting unarmed civilians, letting their officers off the hook, and then suppressing dissenting voices? Hell, even Alex Jones, the fanatical libertarian conspiracy theorist, doesn't support what the Ferguson cops are doing!
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See, this is the problem with people who don't know what Libertarians are for. They assume that when we say "limited government" we mean "no government". When the police are being shot at, which they were, then the Police need to step up to not only protect themselves but others in the crowd.
 
Hamster Buddha said:
Again, who started this in the very beginning? The media's attention was brought when the violence initially broke out. Besides, the first guy Fox had on was the Brown Family Lawyer who urged peace. Hell, what happened to that 4.5 minutes of silence that the brown family wanted? Know where I heard about that? The media! Oh yeah, these guys are really listening to the media...
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You don't get it. *How* the media chooses to report makes a difference. They should have a social obligation to report in an intelligent, fair, and non-inciting manner. But because of ratings, ratings, ratings, if it bleeds, it leads.
 
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Phys251 said:
What are you trying to say? Do you agree that it was a combined problem of the police force, a few civilians, and potentially other forces as well?



And that right there is the George W. Bush defense. "I didn't pull the trigger, or throw the molotov (or whatever they were that started tonight's literal fires), so I am completely innocent in this matter." Bullcrap the media is innocent. They. Agitated. Ferguson. Period.
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I'm curious, what percentage of the responsibility do you put on the media? 10%? 20%?
 
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Phys251 said:
And that right there is the George W. Bush defense. "I didn't pull the trigger, or throw the molotov (or whatever they were that started tonight's literal fires), so I am completely innocent in this matter." Bullcrap the media is innocent. They. Agitated. Ferguson. Period.
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What in the world are you even reading?

Where did I say the media is innocent?

I FLAT OUT STATED that the media deserves criticism and is guilty of enflaming things. I'm simply saying the don't deserve singular criticism. And their wrong doing doesn't excuse other peoples wrong doing like you're suggesting.
 
SMTA said:
So what?

Better to be thorough than quick.
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I don't know in what better way you could demonstrate that the system used for civilians and that used for police officers is not the same. ;)
 
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Too bad police helicopters aren't able to be used.
But that's what happens when an idiotic prosecutor decides to announce this GJ decision late at night.
With no slight on the way he has handled this all along.

Giving riotous thugs an opportunity to loot and destroy under the cover of darkness is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen .

Black Dog said:
This is a travesty. These people are not protesting... They are out to party, destroy and steal. That's it. Do you think the guy walking out of the store with a 40oz he did not obviously pay for gives a damn? Of course not. Opportunistic parasites, all of em.
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Hamster Buddha said:
See, this is the problem with people who don't know what Libertarians are for. They assume that when we say "limited government" we mean "no government". When the police are being shot at, which they were, then the Police need to step up to not only protect themselves but others in the crowd.
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I'm sorry, when I see bumper stickers like "MORE GOVERNMENT EQUALS LESS FREEDOM--PERIOD," the only logical conclusion to that is that anarchy is best. As we can see in your comment, so many libertarians want "limited government," except when they don't.
 
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SheWolf said:
What if the "law and order" is oppressive and brutalizes the people? I don't think turning to violence is the best option, but I wouldn't suggest people submit to law to keep social order either.
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The violence and destruction of the protests tonight is unacceptable but the degree of militarization of the Ferguson police force that I have seen tonight via the live streams is also completely unacceptable.
 
Hatuey said:
You ever heard of a jury taking 100+ days to decide whether a black man is guilty?
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It would an interesting stat to see, grand juries, their time to decide white police officers and black police officers. But you know GJs don't determine guilt right?
 
SheWolf said:
If people riot, people riot. It shouldn't be made into a matter of "black people riot and white people don't," because I have seen mostly white rioters many times. The fact is, rioters riot. It's shouldn't be a racial issue of stereotyping.
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Which rots are you referring to ?
 
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vesper said:
Well my take on it Black Dog is this was a well planned event by several "community organizers". After all isn't that what Alinsky taught his students is to take any opportunity for any "action" then becomes acceptable if it destroys or undermines the "status quo" and brings “change” ?This is radical anti-stability attacking just another institution (law enforcement) which is so needed in maintaining a free society,
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Most of the people looting etc are not even from Fergison. They are opportunistic thugs. They are not attacking anything... They are doing their black Friday shopping at 100% off.
 
disneydude said:
Once again a thug gets away with murder because he carries a badge. I'm tired of jurors letting these murderers walk. The video was clear.
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Hey, you get the award for most irresponsible statement of the night! This is why we have riots and lawlessness, because there are people like you that support it with idiotic statements. Congratulations.
 
Phys251 said:
You don't get it. *How* the media chooses to report makes a difference. They should have a social obligation to report in an intelligent, fair, and non-inciting manner. But because of ratings, ratings, ratings, if it bleeds, it leads.
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They've shown the protests in New York, so it's not just about Ferguson. But people need to know what is happening in Ferguson right now, to see the people reacting and have context when these debates happened. Part of that reporting by the way, is that a lot of the instigators are not from Ferguson. There being neutral, but you can't pretend violence isn't happening. If you live in Ferguson, wouldn't you want to know what is going on?
 
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SheWolf said:
What if the "law and order" is oppressive and brutalizes the people? I don't think turning to violence is the best option, but I wouldn't suggest people submit to law to keep social order either.
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The case has to be utterly absolute, otherwise you end up with people like this preventing society from operating and threaten the safety of the populace. Everyone's pet cause starts becoming a matter of "the health of justice" and "fairness" and a justifier for extreme measures. Because of the self-righteousness, now we have the endangerment of stability and the safety of the citizenry.

Does Ferguson in any true sense meet this test? No.
 
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APACHERAT said:
I've seen two of the largest riots in America, the Watts Riot in 1965 and the riots in L.A. in 1992. Why do they always burn down their own neighborhoods and then complain why nobody wants to open a business in their neighborhoods after the looting and arson ?
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Don't ask me. Just stupid people pissed off doing stupid things.
 
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