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This is a travesty. These people are not protesting... They are out to party, destroy and steal. That's it. Do you think the guy walking out of the store with a 40oz he did not obviously pay for gives a damn? Of course not. Opportunistic parasites, all of em.

The real protest is happening in New York which is really interesting.
 
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I don't ever remember Stalin or Pot ... or even Jackson having that many mobs. They just killed people... a lot of them. Well Jackson didn't, he was an asshole, but not a mass murderer.

What exactly are you trying to insinuate, Hamster? And do you not remember from history class what the gulags and the Trail of Tears were?
 
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Once again, I think they should collect all of the statements from this afternoon with persons saying, "I don't know why we are assuming it will be violent!" for public shaming.

People kept assuming it would turn to violence with the Trayvon Martin ruling, and it didn't... I didn't think it was a sure bet.
 
Remember all the riots after OJ was acquired? Me neither.
 
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The most unenviable job in America right now would be the President of the Ferguson Chamber of Commerce.

That's been an unenviable job for a while, but point taken.
 
Yes it would of, and you know why we can say that with a hundred percent certainty? Because this isn't the first time these people turned to violence and looting. That is what BROUGHT the attention of the media. Were they never violent, media wouldn't of cared. It's a double edged sword really, without the media attention, it's very likely this would of just been another case of a black kid shot by a white cop.

If civilians are stupid enough to make decisions based upon media reports, it is absolutely their fault.

Morons.

Give me a break. You two badly underestimate the power of propaganda. Consider this: At the expense of going Godwin here (I *am* Godwin's lawyer, after all ;)), how effective would the Nazi regime have been without any propaganda? Hell, how effective would *any* authoritarian regime been without propaganda?
 
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It was not the civilians who poured the metaphorical gasoline onto this situation.

Incorrect. IT was not JUST civilians who poured the metaphorical gasoline onto this situation. Some civilians absolutely ahve

Let me ask you this: Were it not for our sensationalist national media, who is no doubt covering this live right now with their pro-fear rhetoric, and in the case of Fox "News," Right-Wing rhetoric as well, could you honestly say that the overall civilian reaction would have been exactly the same?

Exactly the same? Of course not. But the media didn't make people shoot at police, the media didn't set buildings and cars on fire, the media didn't loot buildings, the media didn't throw things at police. Those people who did do that aren't somehow bereft of any kind of blame or shouldn't have finger pointed at them simply because the media enflamed things. The media, sadly, is also a give and take type of thing...they can help enflame things, but people have to buy in and help exacerbate it for it to actually have any impact, and the cycle just continues agin and again.

I'm not saying that only one side is worthy of having fingers pointed at them...that's you. I'm saying that the news coverage on this absolutely deserves criticism, but it doesn't excuse those that are making their own conscious decisions to do wrongful actions.
 
Remember all the riots after OJ was acquired? Me neither.

To be fair though, whites have had it a lot better in this country for a long time. The case for whites was just about that case, whereas with blacks, these cases are far more.
 
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Is that what an orbital fracture looks like?

no, but definite signs of a physical confrontation
 
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I wonder how many of these people actually live in Ferguson? I'd be willing to bet not many. Just there for the opportunity to steal.
 
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Moderator's Warning:
Folks, a little less focus on discussing the historical views of leaders regarding mobs and a little more direct focus on this topic. A VERY interesting conversation, but one better served in it's own thread please.
 
Give me a break. You two badly underestimate the power of propaganda. Consider this: At the expense of going Godwin here (I *am* Godwin's lawyer, after all ;)), how effective would the Nazi regime have been without any propaganda? Hell, how effective would *any* authoritarian regime been without propaganda?

Propaganda manipulates the mentally deficient and those incapable of making rational decisions.

They are fools, and should be treated as such.
 
Looting, choppers shining flood lights down trying to find someone who's shooting at the firemen trying to put out the fires. More gun shots ringing out. Police after great restraint returning fire. Like some movie about the apocalypse.

WTF guys? Don't you realize that you are burning down the very businesses who are faultless in this, and that your communities depend on?

Stupid, stupid stupid things being done.
 
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What horrible terminology, "win" an indictment. All an indictment is is a charging instrument that gets the case to court. There is no winning. The implication that the prosecutor "threw" this was inevitable, as are those who'll buy that line without question, I suppose but, given that grand jury is a check on the state's power to charge somone, it's funny to see how, in some circumstances, folks who proclaim such distrust for police and prosecutors would now be fine if the prosecutor (and the media) were judge, jury and executioner.

You've just won a caning! Let's celebrate! :mrgreen:
 
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I wonder how many of these people actually live in Ferguson? I'd be willing to bet not many. Just there for the opportunity to steal.


CNN had an alderman from the area speaking on that notion. He suggested that many of those actually FROM ferguson were largely into peaceful protests, as has been seen in the moths leading up to this. That the majority of those causing issues and inciting problems are people coming in from outside of that small community.
 
Once again a thug gets away with murder because he carries a badge. I'm tired of jurors letting these murderers walk. The video was clear.
 
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Washington and Hamilton did what was required to stop unnecessary destruction of government. I absolutely, without reservation, stand on the side of law and order. I do not care if you are a Leftist or a Right-winger, if you harbor anti-government sentiment and prefer to destroy society to satisfy solipsistic wishes, I think you should be stopped with as much force as necessary. This means if you are willing to subcumb to authority, you should be treated as a surrendering criminal. If you continue to scale up your resistance with greater and greater threat to others, the response should scale up.

Tell that to the libertarians and see how well it goes over.

Speaking of which. The complacency from the libertarians on this case is astounding. I thought they supported limited government? Is their idea of "limited government" shooting unarmed civilians, letting their officers off the hook, and then suppressing dissenting voices? Hell, even Alex Jones, the fanatical libertarian conspiracy theorist, doesn't support what the Ferguson cops are doing!
 
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no, but definite signs of a physical confrontation

A rosy cheek? I'm sure he was beaten within an inch of his life.
 
Give me a break. You two badly underestimate the power of propaganda. Consider this: At the expense of going Godwin here (I *am* Godwin's lawyer, after all ;)), how effective would the Nazi regime have been without any propaganda? Hell, how effective would *any* authoritarian regime been without propaganda?

Again, who started this in the very beginning? The media's attention was brought when the violence initially broke out. Besides, the first guy Fox had on was the Brown Family Lawyer who urged peace. Hell, what happened to that 4.5 minutes of silence that the brown family wanted? Know where I heard about that? The media! Oh yeah, these guys are really listening to the media...
 
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The real protest is happening in New York which is really interesting.

Nothing interesting about this.
 
Once again a thug gets away with murder because he carries a badge. I'm tired of jurors letting these murderers walk. The video was clear.

Insufficient evidence for a True Bill

Spin again.
 
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Washington and Hamilton did what was required to stop unnecessary destruction of government. I absolutely, without reservation, stand on the side of law and order. I do not care if you are a Leftist or a Right-winger, if you harbor anti-government sentiment and prefer to destroy society to satisfy solipsistic wishes, I think you should be stopped with as much force as necessary. This means if you are willing to subcumb to authority, you should be treated as a surrendering criminal. If you continue to scale up your resistance with greater and greater threat to others, the response should scale up.

What if the "law and order" is oppressive and brutalizes the people? I don't think turning to violence is the best option, but I wouldn't suggest people submit to law to keep social order either.
 
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