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Hamster Buddha said:
I actually thought Obama's statement was pretty good, played both sides but was very careful to not say what he thought about the ruling (which we all know how he really felt.)
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Damned reasonable statement, really sticking to the center of things as much as possible, it seemed like. What I heard of his statement that is.
 
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they are burning down the Little Caesars. oh the humanity
 
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Fiddytree said:
Their only role in this is being absent from the area. The rest of it is purely due to the brutality of the mob.
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You do not line a street with gasoline and then point fingers when it catches on fire.

Hamster Buddha said:
The police didn't respond until they were getting shot at, what would you of done? Set there and let them?

Also, you can say that the media has been saying this is gonna happened, but that doesn't mean the idiots should do it. If I say your going to jump of the bridge, I doubt you are dumb enough to go do it. Besides, we knew what they would do because this is what they did before. Didn't take a genius to figure this was going to end badly. Hell even Obama said that some people would do this.
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See above.

apdst said:
The cops are keeping this from turning into outright mayhem and carnage. The biggest question is, can they keep up with the escalation.
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See above.

Tucker Case said:
From your link, it looks like it isn't rare at all to see a non-indictment of a police officer. It seems to be the overwhelming reality.

That's important to note because there is no data regarding the racial make-up of those involved in the non-indictment of Police officers. It looks like Police officers are simply less likely to be indicted than regular people.

that being said, it would be interesting to see if there is a racial connection with Police indictments/non-indictments.
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Things are obviously very hectic right now. When things settle in a few days, we have got to have a national conversation about civilian-police interactions. There are some serious issues on both sides that need to be addressed, although I'd rather not comment right now on who's more at fault.
 
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Once again, I think they should collect all of the statements from this afternoon with persons saying, "I don't know why we are assuming it will be violent!" for public shaming.
 
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Fiddytree said:
Trying to keep it from turning it into mayhem and carnage. Given the numbers they have, they are doing a good job.

They simply don't have enough men to do the job. Unfortunately some businesses have been terribly damaged, and if they were lucky, only have to replace some glass.
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The police have the orginization, the tactics, the hardware and three months to make a game plan. If they don't lose the momentum, they can stay in front of the escalation. If the leadership loses their nerve and don't allow their policemen to meet violence with violence, then the rioters will gain the upper hand.
 
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StillBallin75 said:
from the article:
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What horrible terminology, "win" an indictment. All an indictment is is a charging instrument that gets the case to court. There is no winning. The implication that the prosecutor "threw" this was inevitable, as are those who'll buy that line without question, I suppose but, given that grand jury is a check on the state's power to charge somone, it's funny to see how, in some circumstances, folks who proclaim such distrust for police and prosecutors would now be fine if the prosecutor (and the media) were judge, jury and executioner.
 
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Phys251 said:
You do not line a street with gasoline and then point fingers when it catches on fire.
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Mobs are dangerous, anarchistic creatures unto themselves and deserve to be treated as such: with an iron boot.
 
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Fiddytree said:
Once again, I think they should collect all of the statements from this afternoon with persons saying, "I don't know why we are assuming it will be violent!" for public shaming.
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Public shaming. Yeah that's a great way to keep the peace in this volatile discussion.
 
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JoeTrumps said:
they are burning down the Little Caesars. oh the humanity
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That could only improve the food.
 
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Phys251 said:
You do not line a street with gasoline and then point fingers when it catches on fire.
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Sure you do. You point it at the people pouring the gasoline and the people who lights the match.

Or do you think gasoline just ignites magically on it's own simply because it's sitting on as street?
 
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Fiddytree said:
Mobs are dangerous, anarchistic creatures unto themselves and deserve to be treated as such: with an iron boot.
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Joseph Stalin, Andrew Jackson, Pol Pot, and many other tyrants would agree with you.
 
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Phys251 said:
Joseph Stalin, Andrew Jackson, Pol Pot, and many other tyrants would agree with you.
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George Washington and Alexander Hamilton as well.

But if you're satisfied with being a Jacobin, that's your problem.
 
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X Factor said:
What horrible terminology, "win" an indictment. All an indictment is is a charging instrument that gets the case to court. There is no winning. The implication that the prosecutor "threw" this was inevitable, as are those who'll buy that line without question, I suppose but, given that grand jury is a check on the state's power to charge somone, it's funny to see how, in some circumstances, folks who proclaim such distrust for police and prosecutors would now be fine if the prosecutor (and the media) were judge, jury and executioner.
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Do you not notice the contradiction between you saying "there is no winning" and then on the other say people want prosecutors to be "judge, jury and executioners." All the indictment does is ensure that the case goes to trial.
 
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Zyphlin said:
Sure you do. You point it at the people pouring the gasoline and the people who lights the match.

Or do you think gasoline just ignites magically on it's own simply because it's sitting on as street?
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It was not the civilians who poured the metaphorical gasoline onto this situation.

Let me ask you this: Were it not for our sensationalist national media, who is no doubt covering this live right now with their pro-fear rhetoric, and in the case of Fox "News," Right-Wing rhetoric as well, could you honestly say that the overall civilian reaction would have been exactly the same?
 
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Photos show Officer Wilson's injuries after his altercation w/ Michael Brown

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Fiddytree said:
George Washington and Alexander Hamilton as well.

But if you're satisfied with being a Jacobin, that's your problem.
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You realize you just called two of our founders tyrants. But, by some definitions, indeed they were.
 
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X Factor said:
What horrible terminology, "win" an indictment. All an indictment is is a charging instrument that gets the case to court. There is no winning. The implication that the prosecutor "threw" this was inevitable, as are those who'll buy that line without question, I suppose but, given that grand jury is a check on the state's power to charge somone, it's funny to see how, in some circumstances, folks who proclaim such distrust for police and prosecutors would now be fine if the prosecutor (and the media) were judge, jury and executioner.
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There are wins and losses based upon perspective.

You need to understand the GJ process before ranting.
 
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Phys251 said:
Joseph Stalin, Andrew Jackson, Pol Pot, and many other tyrants would agree with you.
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I don't ever remember Stalin or Pot ... or even Jackson having that many mobs. They just killed people... a lot of them. Well Jackson didn't, he was an asshole, but not a mass murderer.
 
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This is a travesty. These people are not protesting... They are out to party, destroy and steal. That's it. Do you think the guy walking out of the store with a 40oz he did not obviously pay for gives a damn? Of course not. Opportunistic parasites, all of em.
 
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The worst thing could be lots of innocent people getting killed. Buildings can be repaired and rebuilt.

Fiddytree said:
Trying to keep it from turning it into mayhem and carnage. Given the numbers they have, they are doing a good job.

They simply don't have enough men to do the job. Unfortunately some businesses have been terribly damaged, and if they were lucky, only have to replace some glass.
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Phys251 said:
It was not the civilians who poured the metaphorical gasoline onto this situation.

Let me ask you this: Were it not for our sensationalist national media, who is no doubt covering this live right now with their pro-fear rhetoric, and in the case of Fox "News," Right-Wing rhetoric as well, could you honestly say that the overall civilian reaction would have been exactly the same?
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Yes it would of, and you know why we can say that with a hundred percent certainty? Because this isn't the first time these people turned to violence and looting. That is what BROUGHT the attention of the media. Were they never violent, media wouldn't of cared. It's a double edged sword really, without the media attention, it's very likely this would of just been another case of a black kid shot by a white cop.
 
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Phys251 said:
It was not the civilians who poured the metaphorical gasoline onto this situation.

Let me ask you this: Were it not for our sensationalist national media, who is no doubt covering this live right now with their pro-fear rhetoric, and in the case of Fox "News," Right-Wing rhetoric as well, could you honestly say that the overall civilian reaction would have been exactly the same?
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If civilians are stupid enough to make decisions based upon media reports, it is absolutely their fault.

Morons.
 
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The most unenviable job in America right now would be the President of the Ferguson Chamber of Commerce.
 
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Phys251 said:
You realize you just called two of our founders tyrants. But, by some definitions, indeed they were.
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Washington and Hamilton did what was required to stop unnecessary destruction of government. I absolutely, without reservation, stand on the side of law and order. I do not care if you are a Leftist or a Right-winger, if you harbor anti-government sentiment and prefer to destroy society to satisfy solipsistic wishes, I think you should be stopped with as much force as necessary. This means if you are willing to subcumb to authority, you should be treated as a surrendering criminal. If you continue to scale up your resistance with greater and greater threat to others, the response should scale up.
 
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