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    Re: Ferguson LIVE announcement video feed links here [W:60, 267]

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i don't know
    which is why a trial is needed to make that determination
    Not really up on the legal process are you? The Grand Jury in this case made that determination. That's what a GJ does, determines if there's enough evidence to bring the matter to trial. In this case the prosecutor showed his whole hand to the GJ.

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    Re: Ferguson LIVE announcement video feed links here [W:60, 267]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Many of the witnesses admitted they were wrong. Some of them admitted they lied, some admitted they didn't see all of what they claimed to see, and some admitted they weren't there at all.
    but did all of the witnesses, whose testimony was in conflict with wilson's, admit they lied?
    i don't think so
    and i would want a trial to be able to sort out the truth from the fabrication
    which is why i believe a finding of probable cause - NOT probable guilt - NOT probable innocence - should have been rendered by the grand jury
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    Re: Ferguson LIVE announcement video feed links here [W:60, 267]

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    which is why i would want to see how wilson would respond on the witness stand, replying in cross examination, allowing us to evaluate the reasonableness of his presentations
    a trial is needed for that to occur
    which is why probable cause should have been found by the grand jury
    Probable cause should have been found because YOU want the dog and pony show?

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    Re: Ferguson LIVE announcement video feed links here [W:60, 267]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Not really up on the legal process are you? The Grand Jury in this case made that determination. That's what a GJ does, determines if there's enough evidence to bring the matter to trial. In this case the prosecutor showed his whole hand to the GJ.
    the prosecutor massively influences the outcome
    he presents information to the grand jury which information is never subjected to cross examination
    and without a trial the truth does not emerge from those circumstances where there are two conflicting positions about the unfolding of events
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    Re: Ferguson LIVE announcement video feed links here [W:60, 267]

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Probable cause should have been found because YOU want the dog and pony show?
    i want the truth to emerge
    wilson may have been justified in the shooting
    but he may not have been
    a jury trial would have allowed me to come to a determination i believed to be just
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    Re: Ferguson LIVE announcement video feed links here [W:60, 267]

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    how do you know that they were wrong? there was no trial
    Because all the evidence was presented and the fact that Johnson was lying through his teeth was confirmed by actual witnesses. Because some who claimed to be witnesses were in reality shown to be somewhere else altogether and made up their testimony against Wilson. Because the one guy (Johnson) that you are relying upon as telling the truth was in fact a fellow suspect in a strongarm robbery and the actual witnesses to a one say that Johnson was helping assault Wilson.

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    Re: Ferguson LIVE announcement video feed links here [W:60, 267]

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i don't know
    which is why a trial is needed to make that determination
    Insufficient evidence for the trial, as proven in the GJ proceedings.

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    Re: Ferguson LIVE announcement video feed links here [W:60, 267]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You can't cross examine physical evidence.

    But, if you want to put Dorian Johnson on the stand and make him admit that he participated in the assault, that would be ****ing hillarious.
    one example of how that trial necessity is applicable to physical evidence

    wilson asserted that brown scratched him/his face
    yet there was no material under brown's nails as would be expected from someone who had so scratched another
    there might be a very good explanation for that non-result
    but it is one which could be answered in a trial setting
    or the inability to have a reasonable explanation might cause one to conclude that wilson was not being honest in his testimony. and if he lied about that, what else was he lying about
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    Re: Ferguson LIVE announcement video feed links here [W:60, 267]

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i want the truth to emerge
    wilson may have been justified in the shooting
    but he may not have been
    a jury trial would have allowed me to come to a determination i believed to be just
    What part of Grand Jury and 12 jurors deciding that there was insufficient evidence for a trial do you not comprehend?
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    Re: Ferguson LIVE announcement video feed links here [W:60, 267]

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Insufficient evidence for the trial, as proven in the GJ proceedings.

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    very flawed gj proceedings
    that is the point
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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